Criminal Governor? The governor of California accepted three and a half billion dollars from the federal gov't to build a high speed railway and now..

@anythingoes477 What does it matter who gave it to California? It is taxpayer money allocated FOR A HIGH SPEED RAILROAD. When you cancel a project you don't get to keep federal funds.

@4meAndyou The project started NINE years ago. In nine years you expect there to be ZERO costs?????? So the money is still just laying there???? Duh.

@anythingoes477 Thanks for being soooooooooooooo polite.

@4meAndyou Sorry but Jeez......... My post said when it was given to Cali.......nine years ago. I figured surely on your own that you must be able to guess that 9 years worth of planning, permits, design, land acquisition, etc. to build it to cost SOMETHING in that period of time.

@anythingoes477 I am sure that it did. However, the money was not allocated for this project by Congress with the intention that the governor could just cancel the project at his discretion and keep the money.

The original plans were either severely flawed or dishonest, and Congress was deceived. The money should be returned to the American people by the government of California. The logic of "we already spent it" just doesn't work here.

I could ask my mother for money for ice cream, and promise her I would mow the lawn tomorrow, and then not mow the lawn. Should I give that money back to my mother?

@4meAndyou Let me ask you something........if you paid for a sidewalk to be laid at your house and while building it the contractor told you--sorry Charlie the price has gone up because we did not foresee this or that...so now we have to double the price. What would you do? Just keep paying or say STOP--I already gave you all the money I have and I don't enough money for you to just keep raising the price every week.

@anythingoes477 I would do neither one of those things. I would sue the contractors who signed legal paperwork with me to deliver my project at the price written. Then I would notify the better business bureau of the fast shuffle, so that those contractors never get any work again. In my lawsuit I would demand that the project be finished at the rate agreed by contract or I would demand a refund.

@4meAndyou In the meantime...where is the $3.5 billion? How much time and how many times $3.5 billion will it cost to sue to get the $3.5 billion back?

@anythingoes477 I think the dishonest contractors should be sued at the initial expense of the state,which erred in not enforcing the agreed prices and contracts, legal fees to be paid by the dishonest contractors upon settlement, the contractors companies dissolved and all equipment sold off, their bank accounts attached, and their homes sold and future wages attached. Then the monies therefrom directed back to the federal government in repayment of a violated contract.

@4meAndyou The lawsuit is not California's to file. The money was a grant from the U.S. government...you whole point BTW....so it's WASHINGTON'S MONEY...not California's that was being ripped off by overcost increases. So it is the federal government that was defrauded--by contractors over costs. California simply said...no more!! Not allowing this to go any further was the California legislature's job--and they did it. I know the ultra right wing wants California to be the demon state from hell........because they are successful financially--the 6th largest economy on the entire globe---while allowing immigration---a thing the Hannity cult says is impossible. But in this case California stopped the screwing...that would have kept draining government grants. As the middle man california has no right--or obligation to pay for legal action to get that money back. That should be covered by federal oversight. It was NEVER a loan to California. It was a grant.

@anythingoes477 Hmmm. Now THAT is a good point. Do you think our dysfunctional Congress is capable of doing that?

@4meAndyou I think we need to research the contractors that got the job and who they are BBF's with. EVERY SINGLE HANDPICKED CONTRACTOR TO BUILD WALL DESIGNS are 1% Republicans---------------ALL located in California--------where the prototypes were built. If the RR contractors are equally connected to Washington 1% GOP"s--then no one will say a peep. Remember......each wall panel costs $1 billion----payable upfront to the contractors submitting their designs. ALL failed every test given to them----and not one dime of that $1 billion each was returned to the government for their failed projects. It don't take an adding machine to see that that deal--and the failed high speed railroad are identical in scope--except one was walls and one was a railroad. Why not complain the wall protype money was not returned---when that turned out to be a failure----and there was $10 billion of government money there not returned??

@anythingoes477 (Sigh). I don't know how you managed to insert the wall into a conversation about a railroad, but it is tiresome.

@4meAndyou It is the same exact thing. Government money--OUR MONEY taken--misspent--and not returned. I don't know how one would complain about a railroad project doing it--but purposely overlooking well connect wall "contractors' doing the same exact??? For three times more money.

@anythingoes477 I haven't seen evidence of contractors misbehaving to this extent on the wall construction. If you want to send me a link, glad to read it.

@4meAndyou id like that link too!

@4meAndyou So like no one on earth has Google....but me??

@anythingoes477 I wish you weren't quite so rude, but I will say it...we would all like to know what you read or saw that supports your statements.

@4meAndyou There's this band new thing called GOOGLE. You can use it to search out...OMG......"facts". Find it and on the search line line type in "wall prototypes cost" and see what happens.

@anythingoes477 You are extremely rude. I would like to point out that if you wish to have a back and forth debate with people who may or may not agree with you, rudeness and bad manners will not convert anyone to your view.

@4meAndyou https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/border-baja-california/sd-me-border-prototype-20171026-story.html

Ain't GOOGLE amazing. In less time that it took to type "how in this world would you find out that kind of information"---you can find link after link.

@4meAndyou Thank you Emily Post. I'll keep that in mind.

@anythingoes477 You really don't wish to have a discussion if you fling insults.