maybe we鈥檇 be better off long term if Corbyn doesn鈥檛 go for a 2nd ref after all
I鈥檓 joking, but here鈥檚 hoping. If only there were a way we could end up with both outcomes but we鈥檒l probably get neither
I鈥檓 joking, but here鈥檚 hoping. If only there were a way we could end up with both outcomes but we鈥檒l probably get neither
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Picklebobble2 路 56-60, M
Both main parties ARE split !
Why do you think Labour has never outlined IT'S wants from a Brexit agreement ?
They're BOTH hoping that at the 11th hour some 'mystical force' is either going to throw consensus into the mix and so an agreed deal can be done (This is what May should have been doing for the good of the country three years ago)
OR, as i suspect, May will lose the vote today. An election will be called. Only 30% of the electorate will even bother to turn out to vote. The vote will be split and we end up with a power-sharing government on Corbyn's watch and we end up right back where we started !
Why do you think Labour has never outlined IT'S wants from a Brexit agreement ?
They're BOTH hoping that at the 11th hour some 'mystical force' is either going to throw consensus into the mix and so an agreed deal can be done (This is what May should have been doing for the good of the country three years ago)
OR, as i suspect, May will lose the vote today. An election will be called. Only 30% of the electorate will even bother to turn out to vote. The vote will be split and we end up with a power-sharing government on Corbyn's watch and we end up right back where we started !
AndrewtheAlu 路 M
@Picklebobble2 most things still pointing to May winning the vote today, irritatingly
gol979 路 41-45, M
@AndrewtheAlu May will win. What defectors are there going to be from the Tories or the dup?
gol979 路 41-45, M
@Picklebobble2 Labour has stated what it wants in a framework but the details have to be negotiated with the EU but as they are the opposition how can they possibly do that?
May won't lose today and how did you get to that 30% figure?
May won't lose today and how did you get to that 30% figure?
Picklebobble2 路 56-60, M
@gol979 It's unlikely that she'll win because all that does is verify the stalemate !
Since the DUP aren't getting the things they want in terms of the Backstop, it's unlikely they'll vote in her favour. thus she loses the majority.
Something has to change. Certainly from an EU perspective !
The only way anything in terms of opinion or thinking will change is if there's a change of government or at the very least, a change in the personnel at the top.
And i call bullshit on the Labour stuff !
This is what May has been screaming at them from across the house for the last two years while Corbyn just yells call an election.
There'll be a low turnout for any election because folk are sick of going round and round and round.
Since the DUP aren't getting the things they want in terms of the Backstop, it's unlikely they'll vote in her favour. thus she loses the majority.
Something has to change. Certainly from an EU perspective !
The only way anything in terms of opinion or thinking will change is if there's a change of government or at the very least, a change in the personnel at the top.
And i call bullshit on the Labour stuff !
This is what May has been screaming at them from across the house for the last two years while Corbyn just yells call an election.
There'll be a low turnout for any election because folk are sick of going round and round and round.
gol979 路 41-45, M
@Picklebobble2 the dup are just where they want to be.......they already had 2.5 billion bunged (pun intended) at them, why would they vote against that. Plus they have already said they will support the government in a no confidence vote. Rees-mogg, one of the most vociferous about the no confidence vote in the Tory party has also said he wouldn't vote against the government. Not a chance she will lose.
Fair enough mate, call bullshit, but it's there in their party policy as decided by the party and the members in a democratic way at the conference. If it doesn't get reported and misrepresented it doesn't mean that it isn't their position.
I don't agree with that 30% turnout. A lot of people are really passionate about brexit and even if it's on this one issue, which it isn't, domestic politics and policy is a complete joke, a nasty one at that.....people will turnout.
If a general election is called them the media is forced to adopt a truly neutral stance (it's not completely) and you will see a much fairer (not fair) portrayal of all the parties and this will sway voters......I'm not sure why I said that last paragraph lol
Fair enough mate, call bullshit, but it's there in their party policy as decided by the party and the members in a democratic way at the conference. If it doesn't get reported and misrepresented it doesn't mean that it isn't their position.
I don't agree with that 30% turnout. A lot of people are really passionate about brexit and even if it's on this one issue, which it isn't, domestic politics and policy is a complete joke, a nasty one at that.....people will turnout.
If a general election is called them the media is forced to adopt a truly neutral stance (it's not completely) and you will see a much fairer (not fair) portrayal of all the parties and this will sway voters......I'm not sure why I said that last paragraph lol
Picklebobble2 路 56-60, M
@gol979 I hope you're right. I really do ! Stalemate politics with no clear leadership is bad at the best of times. But frightening given the extremes of view at either end of the spectrum that COULD end up dictating policy !
As for the EU......personally i think it's likely to implode from the inside out.
France and Germany aren't going to be able to politically satisfy everyone indefinitely. And if the feeling there goes the same way as it has here,i suspect it will happen a lot sooner than many think.
As for the EU......personally i think it's likely to implode from the inside out.
France and Germany aren't going to be able to politically satisfy everyone indefinitely. And if the feeling there goes the same way as it has here,i suspect it will happen a lot sooner than many think.