Should the nuclear bombing of japan in WW2 be considered a war crime?

@Deadcutie

Are you able to elaborate on that point? Or would you like to post romans again?😁

@Pikachu it’s not a biblical context..
Simple reason is it would of cost millions more lives taking Japan ..
If anything, it was compassionate..

@AgapeLove add you to what?

@AgapeLove we are already friends..

@AgapeLove I guess?

@Deadcutie

[quote]Simple reason is it would of cost millions more lives taking Japan ..
If anything, it was compassionate..[/quote]


Two issues with that rhetoric:

1) It was [i]hypothesized[/i] that more lives would have been lost. Maybe the japanese people would have fought according to the propaganda. maybe they wouldn't have.
2) IF the japanese people took up arms and fought, that would make them viable targets. Children in their classrooms or mothers in their homes, or workers at their job ARE NOT viable targets.

So how is murdering women and children by the thousands less of a war crime because you think they might have fought back?

@Pikachu leaders don’t wage wars on maybe.....
Almost every island , was fought yard by yard to the man.. and these weren’t even Japanese islands.. it was pretty clear to everyone that Japan’s devotion to emperor worship and the bushido code would require it’s citizens to die to the last for king and country...
so your argument that maybe they would surender is based in your own after the fact speculation.. the reality was all indications were they would fight to the death as they had at every island engagement before hand..

In that era, they were viable targets.. they provided for the war effort, they worked in the plants building the war machines and supplies that enabled thier armies to kill rape and torture most of Asia... Germany firebombed England, we firebombed many cities in Germany in which civilians died by the 10s of thousands. Japan had no reservations killing civilians at Pearl Harbor, Peking, and other Asian cities by the 10s of thousands.. it was war and like most wars, the civilians paid the highest price..

Sure, I agree in a perfect world civilans should be protected, however when the military puts targets of war near civilian populations, all bets are off..

The difference between US/England forces killing civilians and Germany/japan is this...

Germany fascism and the Japanese bushido code recognized themselves as superior races, so much so that they treated other nationalities and races as almost non human, the cruelty in which they treated their prisoners of war and the civilian populations they controlled and occupied was second to none. And there civilian populations were as culpable as the soldiers who carried it out..

Germans were not put on trial for killing and burying alive of thousands and thousands of Londoners during the battle for Britton.. Japanese were not put on trial for the million Chinese they killed conquering China.. they were put on trial for the inhumane and cruelty inwhich they treated the civilian populations after they controlled them..

Allied forces on the other hand did not have this malicious hatred. Sure they killed thousands of civilians in and around the factories they bombed.. they didn’t have the precise bombs we have today.. but the difference is how we treated them after we conquered them...

@Deadcutie

[quote] they provided for the war effort, they worked in the plants building the war machines and supplies [/quote]

So did americans. So did canadians and british. Presumably burning american schoolchidlren in their classrooms would have been considered an attack on legitimate targets?
You agree?

[quote]Germany fascism and the Japanese bushido code recognized themselves as superior races, [/quote]

....and? If your enemy is the bad guy (has any enemy ever NOT been? lol) then it's not a crime to burn his civilians by the thousands?
Sorry, argument rejected pending better justification.

[quote]Germans were not put on trial for killing and burying alive of thousands and thousands of Londoners during the battle for Britton.. Japanese were not put on trial for the million Chinese they killed conquering China[/quote]

...and? What impact does this have on whether or not nuking japanese civilians should be considered a war crime?

[quote]hey didn’t have the precise bombs we have today.[/quote]

No indeed. They used bombs which they KNEW would cause horrifying collateral damage....how was this meant to be a mitigating factor?

Not legitimate targets.. collateral damage.. if you put a munition dump Next to the school, you should expect some loses in school children.. you put children and women in the plant making bombs, yes they are legit targets when you destroy the plant..

I’m not going to lose any sleep because you reject my arguments, you are nobody important, just another troll who gets off arguing over trivial shit..

@Deadcutie

[quote] yes they are legit targets when you destroy the plant..[/quote]

So to be clear, you'd consider the murder of american women and children to be legitimate casualties as well, yes?

[quote]I’m not going to lose any sleep because you reject my arguments, you are nobody important, just another troll who gets off arguing over trivial shit..[/quote]

Ok...you made weak arguments, i called you on it. If you don't like it then make better arguments. Seems like you decided to ignore most of my rebuttal too. Rather telling, yes?

And for someone whom you consider to be unimportant, you sure spent a lot of time responding to many, [i]many[/i] old posts😉

I'm a bit disappointed that you've done the oh so common, [i]petty[/i] thing which is to accuse someone with whom you disagree of being a troll on the basis of...what?
I also wouldn't consider the murder of tens of thousands of people to be "trivial shit", but i guess we're just different people.

Anyway, if you truly consider me a troll then you will not reply to me here nor waste your time in any of my other threads.
Your choice...

@Pikachu I might toy with you some more, just to spite you.. your self absorbed ego is great entertainment

@Deadcutie

Ok. But please put a little more effort into it if you hope to hold my interest😁

@Pikachu no effort needed, your only interested in the argument. I could agree with you and you’d still argue.

@Deadcutie

Yes, yes. I'm a bad, bad troll and you're only here because it amuses you to spite me.
Excellent. You've really put me in my place.

When you can put the same level of energy into refuting my actual arguments that you do into criticizing me as a person, i shall take you seriously.

Until then....please put in a little more effort😢

@Pikachu your arguments are to dumb to actually try disputing .. nobody believes your bullshit, so it’s not worth it.. however the shit you just wrote is fucking hilarious

@Deadcutie

Well at least we're both laughing then😁👍

@Pikachu the thing is there are a lot more laughing at you than you and a couple of your other accounts laughing at me..

@Deadcutie

Hey guy, if external validation is what you need then you do you.
I think this has long ceased to be anything more than a pissing contest.
Agreed?

@Pikachu pissing on you then yep

@Deadcutie

lol so combative. So little substance.
You're obviously a little hot under the collar tonight.
Come back when you can control yourself. I'm interested in your arguments, not your temper.
Good night🙂

@Pikachu

I don’t think you’re interested in anything that doesn’t fit within your narrow self absorbed ego