IF A Fetus Is Not Human Life...

@VolpeTredici [quote]n a lot of cases, abortion is just a get out of jail free card[/quote]

I assume you have a lot of data to back this up?

@daisymay Not on hand, no. Anyone with a half functional mind could figure it out though

@VolpeTredici Hmm, because the actual data contradicts what you said. But, hey, I guess anyone with a fully functional mind knows that.

@VolpeTredici I think you just asked her for the impossible. But here is a statistic that proves you right...since 1973 there have been 57,762,169 abortions in the USA. That is according to the USA Center for Disease Control (CDC). So according to people like daisymay those were ALL instances of rape or threat to the life of the mother. Even someone like her cannot believe that.Then again...

@Abrienda Put some more words in my mouth.

The claim was "in a lot of cases" and I asked for the data to back that up. You are now saying that I said "NO cases". That makes you a liar.

Good God "girl", SOMEONE has to put words into your mouth or else you would have nothing to say. Right now it happens to be the abortion lobby/business.

You asked for statistics to back up the "get out of jail free card" description of abortion - in other words abortion as convenience. I just gave you one and you cannot deal with it.

And that makes you an idiot. @VolpeTredici @daisymay

@Abrienda You gave a total number with nothing to indicate that they were "get out of jail free" abortions.

Try again or lie again. Your choice.

@daisymay I quoted your own CDC. Never heard of it? A five minute search will give you the same results Here i will make it easy for you...type: CDC...number of abortion USA since 1973.

You wish to educate that cluster of cells between your ears you call a mind? Then do that first. Otherwise shut up.

@Abrienda A total number does not indicate if they were "get out of jail free" abortions.

Where is the data that shows the number of "get out of jail free" abortions?

@Abrienda

[quote]You asked for statistics to back up the "get out of jail free card" description of abortion - in other words abortion as convenience. I just gave you one and you cannot deal with it.[/quote]

Well let's just dial back the antagonism a few notches here.

Buddy claimed that a lot abortions were "get out of jail free" situations. A claim for which he could not supply data. This was an insufficient argument and was rightly dismissed.

You have provided a statistic for the number of abortions performed but you've provided it with no context. Without context, you can make no meaningful claim on what the figure represents in terms of "get out of jail free" abortions.

Agreed?

@Pikachu It really doesn't matter. "A lot" is very subjective. To 1, 100 is a lot. To 100, 1,000,000 is a lot. To even imagine that less than 100 women have done it is crazy. Daisy never really had a leg to stand on.

@daisymay Sigh...so you think that since 1973 OVER FIFTY MILLION BABIES WERE ABORTED BECAUSE OF RAPE, INCEST OR THREAT TO THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER?

Idiot.

The get of of jail card is not my analogy but even someone as denese as you should be able to figure out that millions of these abortions were ones of convienence.

Now go back to your mind altering drugs (supposing you ever had a mind) and leave people alone.

@Abrienda[quote]so you think that since 1973 OVER FIFTY MILLION BABIES WERE ABORTED BECAUSE OF RAPE, INCEST OR THREAT TO THE LIFE OF THE MOTHER[/quote]

I never said that. Not once. You aren't interested in being honest.

I want you to provide the data that shows how many of your TOTAL number are "get out of jail free" abortions. The claim was the most of them are "get out of jail free" abortions, yet you expect people to take you at your word and when asked to provide data to back up the claim, all you can do is attack people.

Sad.

@VolpeTredici Do you have any data that shows how many are "get out of jail free" abortions? Let's see it!

@VolpeTredici

[quote] "A lot" is very subjective.... Daisy never really had a leg to stand on.[/quote]

That seems like a bit of a non-sequitur. All she asked for was data. That's not really something that can be refuted even if buddy does think 5 is a lot.

@Abrienda


So...not interested in discussing the relative morality of ending a non person's life or the importance of bodily autonomy?😕

@Pikachu I did by my explanation of how abortionists like yourself use a variation of the argument used by slave owners prior to the American Civil War...which you would have noticed had you actually read what I wrote, but you people are not interested in actually reading opposing viewpoints. As for the term "bodily autonomy" what exactly IS that? Can you give me a legal definition, one that actually exists outside the confines of your head? If you are going to argue we have absolute control over our bodies regardless of LAW than don't bother because that argument is simply too idiotic for me to waste my time

The reason abortionists like yourself cannot be made to see the illogic of your own position is you lack moral courage, because to do so would mean you would have to accept you have been an enabler in the murder of 50 million babies since 1973. That's why you use words like "fetus' or "cell clusters" or as one former head of NARAL put it "something that looks like you just cleared it from your throat" (you people have such a charming and humane way with words) anything to hide yourself from what you know is true: that human life, beginning at inception, when not interfered with, will absolutely result in the birth of a baby boy or girl...something your mother certainly understood if you do not. To admit that truth would be to figuratively have your hands immediately drenched in the blood of the innocent, and from that you turn away like a vampire from a Crucifix.

It is moral cowardice that forces you lie to others, use weasel words and Orwellian arguments so that you may keep lying to yourself, This you must do since the alternative is to accept you have been ethical complicit in murder which is something you are not morally strong enough to do. Just not.

@Waymore Unfortunately that's not their way. They have no interest in anything that is not said inside their own tiny intellectual echo chamber which is why they are so uncultured and unread because then they would have to accept their are minds and arguments better than their own and they are too psychologically fragile for that. In fact they are the living examples of the "Christian bigot" stereotype they promote in order to make themselves feel superior to those who still have a moral conscience who anybody who can dismiss or laugh off 50,000,000 abortions clearly no longer has.

@WaymoreYes, They can be cause they are above all moral cowards. They are also absent any culture or linear thinking. It has nothing with being a Leftist...Christopher Hitchens was against abortion and created the most convincing real-life examplesof the moral cowardice abortionists practise.

Yeah don't feel lonely!

@Abrienda


Hmm...heard a lot about moral cowardice there. Let's lay off the personal criticisms and let the arguments speak for themselves, shall we? Less of the "you people" and more of an debate on the merits of my arguments. Fair? Cool.

Now then. You've (unfairly) accused me of not wanting to hear the opposing view point. I trust you won't make a hypocrite of yourself and ignore me now.

Bodily autonomy. Very important. Here's a link which explains what it is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodily_integrity

I think you'd agree that no person should ever have the right to make use of your body against your will and the government certainly shouldn't be able to legislate you into giving use of your body against your will. If you disagree, make your case here.

As for the main reason i have no problem with abortion...well a fetus simply isn't a person. It's not murder because it's not a person. You're ending the life of something with less self awareness than grasshopper.
I'm not morally bereft or cowardly or any other pejorative characterization which is convenient to demonize your opposition. It's just that a fetus is not a person and therefore has no rights over a woman's body.
It's a human technically because it has human dna but it fails to meet any meaningful requirement of personhood.
It seems to me that any argument to the contrary is nothing more than an appeal to emotion and an ingrained bias on the basis that it's a human fetus.

I await your rebuttal

This is still going 😦