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Did anybody vote for this kind of Brexit?

May's deal gives us access to trade with the EU on more or less equal terms but gives us no power to decide anything and won't stop freedom of movement. It doesn't guarantee worker protections but - under the state aid rules - it makes it hard for governments to do major economic interventions like nationalising industries.

Its a Conservative (in all senses) soft Brexit.

A case can be made that this is not the worst outcome. But nobody can make the case that this is a good outcome because it has some (though not all) of EU membership benefits, no voting or veto rights and gains [i]nothing[/i] at all. So much for 'taking back control'.

A lot of people will blame politicians for selling out Brexit but this misses the point. There is no way that a good Brexit deal could be negotiated because the EU has over five times our power and no incentive to let us have our cake and eat it. May [i]has[/i] negotiated this badly but nobody who calls her soft has a tenible strategy for how they would do better. Boris and Jacob Reece Mogg flying to Brussels tomorrow and telling Johnny foreigner where to stick to make Britain Great again doesn't really count as a plan.

People [i]have[/i] been sold out by politicians but that happened [i]before[/i] the referendum when people were promised something that the politicians knew they could never deliver.

Nobody voted for this deal. We need a referendum on it.
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Adec757 · 51-55, M
Did anyone who voted leave seriously believe we'd just be able to walk out, stop paying and merrily trade immediately with everyone plus stop free movement just like that...... Pretty dim if they thought that's what would happen!!!
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Adec757 A lot of peole did think like that and they still do. We've had enough of experts.
Adec757 · 51-55, M
@Burnley123 yes they still do! The issue with the Brexit politicians is that they are all minted, are Brexit proof!!!
Platinum · M
That's a stupid thing to say , because all remain politicians are minted and want to remain to get on the eu gravy train after they finish being a minister here...@Adec757
Platinum · M
@Adec757 so you actually think we are prisoners of the eu, we are in there and can't leave but must remain and go on paying them forever...of course we expected to be able to leave and stop paying them..we live in a free world and the WTO have already said they will adjust the rules and allow us to trade under their rules in our own right without the eu...and being out of the eu we can close our borders....I think you are pretty dim to think we have to remain in a union that a bunch of unelected people order us about and make our rules and charge us more money every year while trading less each year could continue....you make a great case for leaving...