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Did anybody vote for this kind of Brexit?

May's deal gives us access to trade with the EU on more or less equal terms but gives us no power to decide anything and won't stop freedom of movement. It doesn't guarantee worker protections but - under the state aid rules - it makes it hard for governments to do major economic interventions like nationalising industries.

Its a Conservative (in all senses) soft Brexit.

A case can be made that this is not the worst outcome. But nobody can make the case that this is a good outcome because it has some (though not all) of EU membership benefits, no voting or veto rights and gains [i]nothing[/i] at all. So much for 'taking back control'.

A lot of people will blame politicians for selling out Brexit but this misses the point. There is no way that a good Brexit deal could be negotiated because the EU has over five times our power and no incentive to let us have our cake and eat it. May [i]has[/i] negotiated this badly but nobody who calls her soft has a tenible strategy for how they would do better. Boris and Jacob Reece Mogg flying to Brussels tomorrow and telling Johnny foreigner where to stick to make Britain Great again doesn't really count as a plan.

People [i]have[/i] been sold out by politicians but that happened [i]before[/i] the referendum when people were promised something that the politicians knew they could never deliver.

Nobody voted for this deal. We need a referendum on it.
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RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
A second referendum should also be called simply by virtue of the fact that the populace was hoodwinked by the claims of the Brexiteers before the first referendum , to say nothing of the revelations only now coming to light of outright illegality and corrupt foreign influence. It was interesting to hear this week that Robert Mueller now has Nigel Farage as a subject of interest in the Russia investigation. There's a nexus here between Trump / Putin / Assange / Farage / Bannon / Cambridge Analytica which needs to be explored. The unexpectedness of the Leave vote and the surprise election of Trump are very unlikely coincidences. We need to know [b]exactly[/b]what transpired in both cases.
TheConstantGardener · 56-60, M
Platinum · M
@RodionRomanovitch you seem to forget you were told by remainers Cameron and Osbourne the following lies and you believed them...ww3, immediate recession, house price crash, £4300 worse off and a crash in the markets...if you believed that then it's understandable why you voted remain....how about Cameron's leaflet that was biased towards remain and cost 9 million and remain got fined for overspending....all these things against Trump and Farage will be proved lies
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@Platinum 'immediate recession, house price crash, £4300 worse off and a crash in the markets.' ... if Britain leaves with no deal then all those things will almost certainly come to pass.


'all these things against Trump and Farage will be proved lies' ...... and your certainty of that is based on what exactly , their denials ?
Platinum · M
Explain your qualifications that makes you an expert, you are certain all these things that were forecast two years ago and never happened, but now you think they will...if we leave with a no deal, which I'm certain won't happen, then we can start trading under WTO rules and we will be billions better off and all the scaremongers will hide away...@RodionRomanovitch @RodionRomanovitch
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@Platinum I don't claim to be an expert but those that are , at the IMF for example , seem to agree in their latest report.

And Trump and Farage , we should just take their word for it ?