Soros Conspiracy theories belong on the Fringe not the mainstream.

@SumKindaMunster Yeah, that looks like "real news" to me.

@MistyCee I am not vouching for the veracity of the article, merely providing a counterpoint. You know its not true? Feel free to supply your rebuttal.

Also, you disparage my source but have no problem with the New York Times eh?

Ever hear of a guy named Jayson Blair?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jayson_Blair

@SumKindaMunster

Thanks for the link.

I've had my issues with the NYT, but if nothing else the sheer size of the thing and it's history makes me think that it's less "fringe" and should be given a bit less skepticism than a website like the American Thinker.

I don't know if it's 'true' or not honestly, and I'm not even saying it's false, but the fact that sites like this are seen as credible, or even as likely to be credible as the NYT seems to actually make my point that Trump's don't believe your eyes and ears and trust in what I tell you message is no longer just a fringe thing.

I'm not at all happy about it, mind you, but I'm not denying it.

@MistyCee I think its interesting that you don't know anything about the publication that I linked, but because you haven't heard of it, and are more familiar with the NY Times, that makes the Times more credible in your mind.

If anything the Times should be less credible because we both know they published erroneous information in the past, and had to acknowledge and apologize for it.

@SumKindaMunster interesting, but predictable. I've been reading and hearing back from from the NYT since long before there was an internet.

@MistyCee Then you must be aware of their ongoing propaganda campaigns to humanize globalists like Soros.

This video clip attached is a good example of how it goes. Clips of right wing pundits and politicians saying his name "Soros!" "Soros!" "Soros!", making them looking deranged and obsessed. Not one moment of any actual investigative journalism into Soros's activities, just a comment "No evidence of this exists", and then more mockery plus the added layer of saying any sort of criticism is anti semetic.

Like I said to that nitwit Burnley below, the guy is well known to be involved in global initiatives to promote mass migrations, has multiple organizations that are expressly created to promote mass migration, but for some reason, he wouldn't be involved in promoting mass migration from Central America to the US? And it's absurd, fringe and antisemitic to believe so?

Does that seem plausible to you?

@SumKindaMunster I kind of think antisemitism is a big part of what makes this appealing, tbh.

But that aside, thanks for making me read up a little on Soros. Sounds to me like he is trying to make the world a better place, whether you agree with him, or not.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/06/the-george-soros-philosophy-and-its-fatal-flaw

@MistyCee
I'd be interested in hearing why you believe that. I've seen that before from leftists defending him, but I don't believe I have heard any criticism of him that focuses on his religion. I believe its incidental to his behavior and has nothing to do with anything other than to give leftists a reason to shame, dismiss or ignore criticism directed at him.

Actually, I should have said "plausible" criticism regarding his religion, as I just opened the link you included, and there is a tweet from Roseann Barr basically accusing him of being a nazi sympathizer and disparaging his religion.🙄

@SumKindaMunster I think it's a dog whistle kind of thing, like Trump saying he's a nationalist, and then claimed to not be a white nationalist, tbh. Which is why I said its what makes it appealing.

I'm not so much that it is anti semitic, as much as, it's a message that anti semites, even those who have no issue with Soros' politics otherwise will embrace.

Trump's embrace of immigration as an issue is rooted in the same thing, IMO. It's good for him because it brings out more voters, including real racists, racists in denial, those who see other problems with immigration, and those who admire him for his "honesty" and lack of political correctness.

It's "smart" politics, though.

@MistyCee Well my response to that is that if TBTB did not want someone like Trump being elected, they wouldn't have spent the last 20 plus years ignoring the issue of illegal immigration and pretending nothing can be done about it.

It's not extreme or radical(IMHO) to want border security and orderly immigration. Had Congress done anything to address this instead of kicking the can down the road, perhaps we wouldn't be having this conversation.

The real insidiousness of what you say is the convenient lack of accountability or explanation on your part. You feel it must be this way, as a political "dog whistle" is not a real thing, it's a concept. A concept that only has meaning in one's mind. It's a belief, dogma, orthodoxy and faith. There is no rational counter to that, and the more one tries, the more you will dig into your beliefs.

That's the real tragedy of the current American political landscape. Our political system is predicated on compromise and working together to forge common solutions to common problems, but this process has been hijacked by unscrupulous politicians and globalists like Soros for their own agenda.

I read the hagiography you linked. It pissed me off all the more about that guy. Where does he get off telling the US how it should conduct it's foreign policy? It's none of his fucking business and I am not happy that a rich billionaire who doesn't even live in this country has such an influence on our political system. He invites and deserves the criticism he gets, and as previously mentioned, he and his supporters use his religion as an insincere and unrelated way to deflect criticism about who he is and his behavior.

@SumKindaMunster
I agree with this, and while I don't think the problems with our political system are wholly the result of evil globalists, I do think a large part of our problems are coming to grips with the reality of a global economy and the increasing power of corporations as opposed to states.

I don't think either the left or the right has the answers to this, but I'm pretty sure that Trump's interests in this problem line up with yours or mine.


I'm not quite sure where you're going with the dog whistling thing, though.

That really was a partial list, add to it, greedy multinational corporations, NGOs and PACs to the list of entities that manipulate the American political system for their own selfish desires.


I guess just to say that because of notions like this, it makes it that much more difficult to arrive at political compromise. If you believe the other side is evil, you aren't interested in working with them and coming to a mutually acceptable solution. Political "dog whistles" further make the conversation that much more difficult as you are guided by beliefs as opposed to evidence or reason. If you believe the other side is using secret messages like that, it's doubtful you would trust them and work with them to arrive at a solution that works for both sides.

@SumKindaMunster

On the the dog whistling thing, I don't think its that unusual a concept for people to send messages with the words they use. Trump didn't invent it, and if you look hard enough, you'll see the same sort of thing done on both sides. Let's talk about gun control. Does that mean gun grabbing?

I know, I write legal stuff for a living and I often do the same kind of thing, making a reference for the benefit of the Court which my opponent might not get, or just phrasing things a particular way because it will mean something different to an appellate Court.

There's nothing "evil" about it, and quite honestly, if I was writing speeches for him, I'd likely do the same thing, picking words that would say things for different constituents carefully.


Frankly, as far as Trump goes, I think the problem goes deeper than just dog whistles. How can you trust a guy with no respect for facts or truth?

He throws stuff out there he knows isnt true, contradicts himself, and doesnt seem to have any real grasp on things.

I'm far more worried about Trump's amorality than I am about his evilness or immorality.