Soros Conspiracy theories belong on the Fringe not the mainstream.

@PikachuTrainer ffs

George Soros is a Liberal philanthropist who donates to liberal causes. A Liberal finance banker cannot be considered extreme left.

There are no dots connecting him to the caravan and to say he wants to destroy America is ridiculous. There is no evidence for any of this stuff apart from the extreme desire for the radical right to blame all the worlds ills on one simple explanation.

Its like me saying because the Koch brothers donate to right wing causes, they must be responsible for genocide in Africa.

@Burnley123 I never said HE was extreme left, I said he is FUNDING extreme left groups, such as those in the UK who are opposed to Brexit.

Right, and what exactly makes someone "Radical" or "Far" right? In fact a lot of people use that term to describe Brexiteers without any justification.

Considering that current events in Africa, specifically South Africa, I don't see how the Koch Brothers would be funding the African equivalent to the KKK.

@PikachuTrainer It's hardly extreme left to oppose brexit. Remain got like 49 percent of the vote.

@PDXNative1986 I never said it was extreme left to oppose Brexit, I just said he was funding groups who are extreme left that do oppose Brexit. Also it was 48.11%, not 49%.

@PikachuTrainer " it is hard NOT to believe any of these conspiracies" well it isn't hard if you happen to be very gullible and prone to crackpot stories

@Adaydreambeliever Too many people are gullible.

@Adaydreambeliever depends which one, the ones surrounding Soros are the ones I'm talking about, of course there won't really be any evidence to back any of them up (hence why they are called Conspiracy theories), but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if any turned out to be true, but mainly that is due to my doubt that these people in the Caravan would have been able to organise this kind of movement themselves at that scale.

@PikachuTrainer
The implication was clear. The Remain campaign's he donated to are dominated by the liberal centre or centre-left.


I don't think all Brexiteers are far right,. I have friends who are Brexiteers are have all different politics. People who tout George Soros conspiracy theories lean towards the far right, whether they leave it or not.


OFC. Its a ridiculous idea, like Soros wanting to destroy America or funded the caravan.

@Burnley123 there was no implication, sorry to disappoint you, and no the remain campaigns he has donated to are not dominated by the liberal center or center left, since most of those in the Center left actually respect the June 2016 vote, and I know quite a few that do sit in that camp.

Right, so if touting the Soros conspiracy theories suddenly makes you far-right then I got bad news for you, primarily on the point of the matter of being incorrect.

Like I said before, I would not be surprised at all if he was or a benefactor was on his behalf, as I doubt that those people could, at the scale they are at, organise such a caravan on their own without political guidance.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Best+for+Britain&oq=Best+for+Britain&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i60&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

No, he's donated to Best for Britian, which has Lib Dem MP backers, Tory moderates and the Labour right. That is the Remain hard base.


yes.



This isn't evidence. So refugees can't walk? Are you saying the refugees travelling from Syria to Europe are equally dependent on a billionaire puppeteer?

@PikachuTrainer sorry you are incorrect on many of the points you make re Brexit.. for instance.. many of the Remainers are so because they are pro immigration and integration.. the greenparty are pro remain.. and so are labour generally.. All these things are more liberal..
Burnley's posts are very reasoned .

@Burnley123 think you'll find, Best for Britain is anything by Center left, if you think it is then I want a source about the exact time that the center line actually moved.

LMAO, please do yourself a favour and try and comprehend what it is to brush an entire group with a single paint brush based on one set of beliefs, whether it be a conspiracy theory or otherwise.

I never said Refugees can't walk, and these guys aren't refugees, to be a Refugee you need to travel to the nearest safe border of a neighboring country, the United States is not the nearest safe place. As for Syria to Europe, you are aware that only 4 of 5 of the people coming from Syria to Turkey are not Syrians? Yes I do believe there is a political drive to it, but certainly not from Soros if anything. UN stated 4% being refugees, but 1 out of 5 is more reasonable, even if the source is not reliable (aka Daily Mail), but we have been aware for sometime that those taking advantage of the Syrian civil war are from countries like Saudi, Iran, Pakistan etc.

@Adaydreambeliever you are the one incorrect, it isn't about pro immigration and integration, in fact a lot of the people including myself who voted leave know the importance of Immigration as a whole, but we also take the fact that too much immigration has a detrimental effect on the economy, in fact we are losing money from the current levels of immigration. No the majority of the Remainers are Anti-Border groups, people who beleive there should be no borders which would not actually work, or support the creation of a European Superstate (a few of those I have conversed with over Facebook).

@PikachuTrainer
There is no evidence for that. Poor people in war-torn countries or countries with no jobs want a better life for themselves and their families. There is no other need to ascribe motive.


You imply that campaign groups fighting for Remain are extreme left. They are not and are centre or centre left. Separate to that there is a long tradition of left-wing Euroskepticism from socialists which sees the EU as a capitalist club, the single currency in particular. Corbyn came from that in the Bennite days but was persuaded to support Remain as a lesser evil. The real extreme left; like the SWP and the SP supported Brexit.

George Soros is not my friend and I don't even like the Best for Britain MPs. However, your line of criticism is just factually inaccurate.

@PikachuTrainer snigger.. that's such a devastating retort.. you are incorrect, no, you are, no you are.. Are we kids in the playground now?
I voted leave too :P But it remains the case that if you listen to the leave camp.. they DO fall into the category of 'immigration is good and does a lot of good for the country.. and they do tend to be lefter orientated.

@Burnley123 there is always a motive, in fact in your post you mentioned one motive, and if they wanted more jobs and support their families, they need to do that back at home (Guatemala), otherwise their country is not going to improve either through infrastructure or getting their current head of state.

I imply that most are extreme left, and no they are not by no means center left. And yet there is also quite a few Socialist groups, such as Momentum, who still want to be apart of the EU, yes there are Eurosceptic Socialists, however there are a great many who still want to remain apart of that "Capitalist" institution. Corbyn also said he "wasn't a Career politician", despite spending 35 years in Parliament.

My line of criticism is not inaccurate, espiecally towards Remain groups.

@Adaydreambeliever well if you want to be kids a playground I can certainly go down to that level of reasoning, but I highly doubt we'll get a coherent argument out of "no you". And leave is more Right wing oriented, though there are a substantial amount of Left wing who voted Leave, and those who voted Remain that have now changed their minds to voting leave thanks to the hardcore remainers.

@PikachuTrainer Those Remain groups hate Corbyn because they don't think he is remain enough. If you study the history of those who are pro-EU, then its the politics of the centre. Its been like that for decades and its like that in every country. Left and right are anti-EU for different reasons. Momentum support the EU mostly as a lesser-evil and I would know because I am a member.

Menzies Campbell and Gary Lineker support Best for Britain. You have no evidence that they are extreme left or that the EU is extreme left. I don't even know if there is an argument for that.

@Burnley123 a lot of people hate Corbyn for different reasons, however quite a few of the remain groups are pro-Corbyn such as the aforementioned Momentum. I have studied the history of the EU and I have to disagree, it is not politics of the Center, if it were then the EU wouldn't be turning itself into a Dictatorship centered around Brussels. Momentum is also a Socialist group, so it cannot be considered center-left, yes you can also get right wing Socialist groups, like the National Socialist Party of the 1930s, but like all Socialist groups it is Socialist in name only.

I never said the EU was extreme left however, and Menzies and Gary, like some members of the House of Parliament and House of Lords, have vested interest in the EU.

@PikachuTrainer Pfff. Momentum is not centre left but the left who are pro-remain support it as a lesser-evil, as I said.

What have you done to study the EU? Do you mean books, uni course or some dodgey youtube vids?

Tel the Syriza government of Greece that the EU is socialist. You don't seem to understand what socialism is tbf. I need to go now but good luck.

@Burnley123 I do not see how it is a lesser evil.

Books, online articles, youtube videos, sorry not rich enough for Uni.

I never said the EU were socialist, and I do understand what Socialism is.