Sparring those who don't understand science, even if it's slapping them in the face, the REAL debate over human driven climate change is..

@lovelywarpedlemon We? You seem to be under the impression that the west is responsible for pollution. 90% of it is actually from China and India, but who are we to tell them not to industrialize?

@cultofaction Everyone is responsible. I'm not here to provide research for you.

Is this code for "I can't argue with what you said"?

@cultofaction I'm not "arguing" with you because you're a hard-headed ponce who needs a taste of personal struggle. I could lay down the facts but I don't have the patience to put you on the level with the rest of us humans. I'm not here to play political debate. There's nothing to debate because the fact is that everyone is responsible. Even you.

@lovelywarpedlemon That's a cute way to say, "I don't know how to respond politely to what you just said"

@cultofaction It's a nice tactic, try and make the other person look stupid to avoid the fallacy of your own argument. Too familiar.

@lovelywarpedlemon What fallacy in my argument? 😂 Care to point it out? Or will I be the only one forming arguments today?

@cultofaction You're clever, eh? A clever asshole. Tell me how the poor, dirty Indian children contribute. How much of the Amazon do you need for your shitty asshole? This is the thing you're looking for. Devolving to aggression. Want me to be on your level, where you're safe in your hate bubble. I've said what I care to say.

@lovelywarpedlemon All you've said are ad hominems and all I've asked is for you to provide a counterargument so I can tell you why you're wrong.

Can you be civil? I understand that you're probably not used to having your propaganda bubble burst about issues like this. A lot of seemingly trustworthy people provide a lot of misrepresentations of the issue at hand.

People are eager to show you something like this, as if it were the whole story:
But they won't be eager to tell you that the carbon absorption in the US is enormous because of all of our forests and because we're the biggest agricultural producer in the world. They won't be eager to tell you that tropical forests are usually a huge net negative right now in terms of CO2. In the US, we're close to a net neutral compared to India and China, who in recent decades have been industrializing and pumping out insane levels of gasses and even more insane levels of pollution into the ocean. India and Africa are basically the reason why we have a giant garbage patch in the ocean. The west, on the other hand, is pretty good at recycling, especially in Europe.

Emissions are fine so long as they're balanced. Some countries balance their CO2. Others don't. I hope that shines some light on the issue.

@cultofaction Whatever "facts" make your life more comfortable for you. US consumers are the ones buying the plastic driving production overseas, where it's cheaper to manufacture and dispose of waste, and where environmental regulations and human rights are lacking enforcement. Most of our products are from China, where most of the pollution is harbored. We are equally at fault because we are consumers.

@lovelywarpedlemon I'm sorry but you're wrong again. The US isn't even the country consuming the most water bottles -- China is. The US isn't at the top per capital either. Mexico, for example, consumes double what we do per capita.

Businesses are obligated to make as much money as possible. This means that they're obligated to buy the most cost effective resources on the market. The only reason why we buy products from China is because our domestic products have to meet environmental (and all kinds of other) standards, while the Chinese alternatives hardly have to do the same. This allows Chinese products to undercut our own in price. Chinese production practices are irresponsible. If they chose to be more responsible and enforce similar standards, then we wouldn't have nearly as much pollution and we likely wouldn't be buying their products. China and India are sacrificing the environment for short term gain. They are the weak point that fails the environment. You can't pass the blame to consumers who are acting logically because you can't possibly expect the world to collectively do something illogical in order to get something in return that is intangible (less pollution).

@cultofaction You're looking for confirmation bias.