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I'm really just curious: Why do so many people who DON'T live in the United States hate Trump so very much?

I mean, I don't give a flying eff about the leaders of their countries. These folks don't live here, and I just have to wonder if they own some sort of stock that is being affected, or if they just really, really need someone to hate desperately.

What do you think? Regarding foreign Trump hatred, not regarding your own.
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Abstraction · 61-69, M
The man is truly dangerous to the world. In listening to Trump supporters, I get that he interrupts the status quo - it needed it. But not him. I've watched him carefully and he is simply dangerous and not adequate for the responsibility of running such a great country. For example, you don't play unnecessary brinkmanship with nuclear war, unless you lack the mental capability to understand the potential impact on, eg, South Korea.

BUT...
Political hate on all sides is unhelpful. We are seeing the death of discussion and debate. In its place is abuse and intolerance. Are we becoming more or less human every time we post mindless hate, intolerance and abuse?
4meAndyou · F
@Abstraction I think mindless hate, intolerance and abuse are the factors that will kneecap our world. We must learn to overcome emotion, as debaters do in college, and speak to the real issues.

BTW, you know how very much I respect your opinions...all of them, even if I don't adhere to them. I just wonder, with NOKO, how you would have responded if you were the leader of the US, and NOKO had said that they were going to blow up one of our cities, as they did to Trump.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@4meAndyou My study of the timeline is that while North Korea were conducting tests - no not a fan of that, Trump began with mocking tweets 'little rocket man', 'they won't be around much longer' (intimation of regime change) and then issued the first threat, 'fire and fury like the world has never seen' on 8th August 2017. Hours later, in response Kim threatened Guam, 'enveloping fire'. Sept 19, Trump threatened to 'totally destroy' North Korea. It was South Korea and then China that began the process of talks and covered most of the ground. Have I missed something?
https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/06/10/the-twisted-timeline-of-donald-trump-and-kim-jong-un/

The current threat to Iran continues the trend.

I think the dialogue or rhetoric that triggers things occurs long before the crises. You back a mouse into a corner, it comes out fighting and playing for strength. So many wars are prevented quietly through peacebuilding approaches - which is to say this is my preferred approach.
4meAndyou · F
@Abstraction The timeline shows that prior to "fire and fury", NOKO said they would attack the US with nukes if we ever attacked them.

"If the United States attacks North Korea, it will respond with nuclear weapons.

That is the defiant message North Korean Foreign Minister Ri Yong Ho delivered on Monday to a gathering of foreign ministers from the US, China, South Korea, Japan, and other Southeast Asian countries.

“Should the US pounce upon the DPRK with military force at last, the DPRK is ready to teach the US a severe lesson with its strategic nuclear force,” Ri said, using the acronym for the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, North Korea’s formal name."

After that, Trump came out with "fire and fury".

This message from NOKO was in response to US destroyers being deployed to South Korea AFTER Japan and South Korea expressed great concern that NOKO was testing ballistic missiles and lobbing them over their heads.

None of us in the US who followed the story closely believe that the US "started" anything. Nuclear and missile testing by NOKO rang every alarm bell in the region, and we responded by positioning our destroyers to support our allies, as they requested. But we did let NOKO know that if they kept up the bad behaviour, we could definitely finish it.
Abstraction · 61-69, M
@4meAndyou Yes, you're quite correct, I missed that. And there was an earlier one too:
“Should the U.S. dare to show even the slightest sign of attempt to remove our supreme leadership, we will strike a merciless blow at the heart of the U.S. with our powerful nuclear hammer, honed and hardened over time,” late July.

The regime change reference here is important. As far back as Feb 2016, Trump threatened to 'disappear' Kim (it's in that timeline). The world's dictators are probably socio/psychopaths, who don't care who dies to protect their personal interests. I had a colleague in Myanmar who knew the generals in charge. They were paranoid about US invasion. They honestly believed (he heard them discuss) that a hurricane driven flood was started by the US to bring in spies as aid workers. No, really. They don't let go of power even when nearly dead because they want to look after their family interests (Mugabe, etc).

Korea analysts consider the nuclear weapons as a deterrent to regime change from outside. Fear is the main part of the commitment to nuclear weapons. Economically they are a mess - sanctions hurt, so nuclear weapons have another advantage. North Korea has had a consistent pattern - rattle the sabre, use it as a bargaining chip. Non-provocative diplomacy has consistently worked in the past without escalating the rhetoric. Tearing up nuclear deal with Iran, threatening regime change in Korea? Dictators are dangerous men. They don't care who gets hurt. Most of the rest of the world does not support Trump's non-diplomatic approach to foreign policy, respect for 'strong man' leaders like Duterte and Putin, disrespect for traditional allies, and unpredictability.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/03/how-trump-has-weakened-the-worlds-view-of-the-us.html

I guess when the US is such an important player in world affairs - which is a direct result of US foreign policy since WWII - then we take an interest. When a mouse sneezes outside, no-one cares. When an elephant is in your garden you don't know what might happen.
4meAndyou · F
@Abstraction Quite true (except for anything from cnbc...LOL!!! JK). We have had weak men in power in the United States through the last four presidencies of the US. They allowed fear to dictate their handling of criminal dictators. They felt that the only tool available was diplomacy....and diplomacy not only failed miserably, but it allowed the threats to grow. Now we are landed with the mess they left us. It is insanity to continue to continually try the same failed methods. So now we have something different....our "elephant", (and it has been quite a circus). You and I, God willing, will see the results of his methods...and then can discuss their effectiveness.