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Abrienda · 26-30, F
Exactly what "help" did Russia give Pres. Trump? You in touch with Robert Mueller so you can tell us what it was? Do you have any idea what you are talking about or are you just another mental patient suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome so that small things like "proof" or "evidence" or even "logic" don't matter to you?? Or is it you believe he won because of a few thousand dollars in facebook ads that no one remembers seeing?
BTW...JFK is actually still alive and living on a Pacific Island with the children he had with Marilyn Monroe along with the ones she had by Elvis Presley that he adopted but SSHHHH! Don't tell anyone!
BTW...JFK is actually still alive and living on a Pacific Island with the children he had with Marilyn Monroe along with the ones she had by Elvis Presley that he adopted but SSHHHH! Don't tell anyone!
WoodyAq · M
@Abrienda The hacking of the DNC, and the leak of sensitive information on Clinton at key points before the election is the main thing.
Given how desperate Trump has been to please Putin, though, and to shut down the investigation into Russian interference, there must have been other stuff too.
Given how desperate Trump has been to please Putin, though, and to shut down the investigation into Russian interference, there must have been other stuff too.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@Abrienda Oh, the help is undeniable. It's collusion that's in question - and imo, there wasn't any actionable collusion. But it's beyond any doubt at this point that Russians pitched in with a concerted effort.
WoodyAq · M
@QuixoticSoul The main evidence for collusion is Trump's subsequent behavior, imho.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@WoodyAq I mean, that's the sticking point. After all, the subsequent behavior is why I don't think there was any actionable collusion, but you think the opposite. That behavior is all we have to make conclusions from, and clearly different interpretations are possible.
I think his actions and words are a result of an ignorant narcissistic blowhard dealing with allegations of collusion - but to you it just looks like collusion. Maybe one day we'll dig up some definitive answers.
I think his actions and words are a result of an ignorant narcissistic blowhard dealing with allegations of collusion - but to you it just looks like collusion. Maybe one day we'll dig up some definitive answers.
WoodyAq · M
@QuixoticSoul His subsequent behavior, including and especially the disgraceful display today is that of someone who thinks he isn't accountable to anyone. It looks very much like he's guilty and is rubbing our noses in it, because he thinks he'll get away with it.
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@WoodyAq How exactly did they "hack" the DNC when the DNC refused to let the FBI examine their server?? And what do you mean by "hack" anyway or are you just repeating what you hear without knowing what it means?
And please explain how Pres. Trump's "desperate need to please Putin" includes selling anti-tank weapons to Ukraine, something Obama/HRC refused to do, killing some 200 Russians in a drone attack and launching two attacks air attacks against Putin's ally in Syria, sending American troops to Russia's sworn enemies Poland and the Baltic States and blasting Germany for buying Russia oil and gas, calling Germany a "captive" of Russia and demanding the Europeans spend more money to build up their armies against...RUSSIA?
But PLEASE....do not let things as unimportant as FACTS or logic disturb your psychosis and that of other TDS sufferers here. Perhaps this is just all a cover! BTW I will post here a link to a youtube video for you and your fellow delusiontoids to watch PROVING the moon landing was fake and shot in a film studio in Arizona... and GUESS WHO PAID FOR IT? Yes! You got it...TRUMP! Conspiring with...right again! The RUSSIANS!
And please explain how Pres. Trump's "desperate need to please Putin" includes selling anti-tank weapons to Ukraine, something Obama/HRC refused to do, killing some 200 Russians in a drone attack and launching two attacks air attacks against Putin's ally in Syria, sending American troops to Russia's sworn enemies Poland and the Baltic States and blasting Germany for buying Russia oil and gas, calling Germany a "captive" of Russia and demanding the Europeans spend more money to build up their armies against...RUSSIA?
But PLEASE....do not let things as unimportant as FACTS or logic disturb your psychosis and that of other TDS sufferers here. Perhaps this is just all a cover! BTW I will post here a link to a youtube video for you and your fellow delusiontoids to watch PROVING the moon landing was fake and shot in a film studio in Arizona... and GUESS WHO PAID FOR IT? Yes! You got it...TRUMP! Conspiring with...right again! The RUSSIANS!
WoodyAq · M
@Abrienda It's all in the latest indictments against the 12 Russian military officers. You can read them online.
Trying to sow discord in Europe (like with his UK visit)= what Russia wants.
Trying to undermine NATO= what Russia wants.
Not punishing Russia for election interference = what Russia wants.
Etc. The list goes on.
Trying to sow discord in Europe (like with his UK visit)= what Russia wants.
Trying to undermine NATO= what Russia wants.
Not punishing Russia for election interference = what Russia wants.
Etc. The list goes on.
Abrienda · 26-30, F
@WoodyAq Is demanding NATO spend the money it promised to increase its militaries AGAINST RUSSIA part of that strategy to "undermine" NATO? How CLEVER Trump/Putin are, cause who would guess that was part of their scheme?!
Is it you don't read, cannot process information intelligently or are such a slave to TDS that NO facts or appeal to logic proving you wrong or any appeal to logic can free your mind from its delusions?
Is it you don't read, cannot process information intelligently or are such a slave to TDS that NO facts or appeal to logic proving you wrong or any appeal to logic can free your mind from its delusions?
WoodyAq · M
@Abrienda Not backing the collective defense clause on the first go undermined NATO. As for asking NATO partners to actually spend on defense what they promised... yeah, that's where he started. That isn't where he ended though, is it?
Try listening to what Trump is saying first before accusing others of being delusional.
Try listening to what Trump is saying first before accusing others of being delusional.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
RodionRomanovitch · 56-60, M
@WoodyAq @QuixoticSoul
As far as collusion goes ; I believe his campaign did coordinate and conspire with the Russians and that there is already plenty of prima-facie evidence to support that accusation. I also believe it to be highly improbable that Trump didn't know exactly what was going on and that it was done with both his consent and his encouragement. Of course he's far too shrewd to actually allow himself to be connected to it all directly , and the surety of that knowledge allows him to repaet his 'no collusion' mantra at every opportunity , as was duly witnessed during that absurd spectacle yesterday.
As far as collusion goes ; I believe his campaign did coordinate and conspire with the Russians and that there is already plenty of prima-facie evidence to support that accusation. I also believe it to be highly improbable that Trump didn't know exactly what was going on and that it was done with both his consent and his encouragement. Of course he's far too shrewd to actually allow himself to be connected to it all directly , and the surety of that knowledge allows him to repaet his 'no collusion' mantra at every opportunity , as was duly witnessed during that absurd spectacle yesterday.
WoodyAq · M
@RodionRomanovitch I think that's probably right.