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Will a hard-Brexit bring about austerity and huge cuts in services?

I think that it will and also that it is planned. For all that the Leave campaign talked about immigration cuts, taking back control and national sovereignty, that is not their real agenda.

The hard-Brexiteers who are attacking May for her compromise deal want to remake the British economy along the lines of the South East Asian countries. This means lower taxes (for the rich and for corporations), less re-take (meaning safety legislation and worker protections) and a smaller state (meaning less money for schools and hospitals). This is a Brexit which will benefit the rich and upper-middle class at the expense of most of those who voted for Brexit.

This was not what has been sold to the public but it is what the pro-Brexit wing of the Conservative Party want according to their published work:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/13/tory-brexiteers-plan-2019-britain-conservative

If you don't believe me, look at the people involved. When have the right of the Tory Party ever cared about working class people? They've busted unions and imposed austerity cuts whenever they've had the chance. The media who are pro-hard-Brexit include the Murdoch owned Sun, the Express, and the Daily Mail.

So why are they coy about this agenda in public? Its because it would be unpopular with the British people. The public wants more money for the NHS, not less. They think lower taxes for the rich are unfair and want a more equal society. This goes for both Remain and Brexit voters.

However, you can get people to accept this kind of agenda under conditions of an economic crisis and a hard-Brexit would necessarily cause that crisis. Remember how the 2007/08 financial crash was caused by the banking sector and used as an excuse for austerity cuts? Expect the same again, only worse. If the Tory Brexiteers get their way; expect the EU to be blamed and expect cuts in public services and worker protections in the name of taking back control. This is what Naomi Klein talked about in her book 'The Shock Doctrine'. It's about how disaster capitalism takes advantage of a political and economic turbulence to impose its own will on an otherwise unsympathetic population.
NorthwestM Best Comment
[quote]So why are they coy about this agenda in public?[/quote]

They don't want the people who get screwed, to wake up.

A smaller state, is not necessarily bad news for the Corporations and the 1%. An economic crisis, is not a problem for them, as they get to maintain their elite positions, but the middle income class sinks lower and the lower income class continues to support the agenda that sank it.

This is pretty standard for third world countries and dictatorships.
Burnley12341-45, M
@Northwest Exactly

whowasthatmaskedman70-79, M
I actually favour a Hard Brexit for a different set of reasons.. I see massive issues in Europe extending for a couple of decades that will make any continued connection a further drag on Britain than the one a hard Brexit will bring.. Best a clean break and cut your losses.
Burnley12341-45, M
@whowasthatmaskedman That's a different argument.

I'm against the Single Currency and massive problems with the EU also. My point is more specific: it's about what is planned to happen (and likely to happen) in the event of a hard Brexit. I'm not evaluating the EU here but considering what will happen if Britain leaves under this Government and with the current balance of political forces in the country.

Do you support an ultra-right Ayn Randian re-organisation of the UK economy? I don't think you do and it's that which I am trying to warn people about.
whowasthatmaskedman70-79, M
You are correct.. I don't
@Burnley123
CynicGirl26-30, F
the only sane solution would be another vote which would drastically swing into the other direction now that people realized they been lied to...
NakedExperiment51-55, M
@CynicGirl Didn't the EU state several times that Scotland cannot be accepted back into the EU on its own?
Burnley12341-45, M
@NakedExperiment Yep. And Spain is a powerful enemy to Scottish Nationalism, because of its own issues with Catalonia.
NakedExperiment51-55, M
@Burnley123 From what I've seen in the past few years, lots of people from all walks of life are ruining the UK. If we leave the EU, we're going to maintain good relations with many other countries, not least the US. Thousands of people seem to have their hearts set on offending the US, regardless of the risk to our relations with the US.

I see people everywhere acting like arses. Someone keeps smashing all the glass in the bus shelter at the end of my road. I'm guessing it costs the council hundreds/thousands to replace it every week and I'm end up indirectly paying for that in my council tax.
CountScrofula41-45, M
Yeah, absolutely - implement austerity and loot the public sector.

What I find kind of interesting about this stuff is this economic nationalism stuff hurts and helps the corporatists. Their power in the world will shrink because free trade allows for free movement of capital - get rid of that and everything becomes more expensive. But their power and wealth relative to the local population will increase.

I don't entirely get why they go in for this because the status quo seemed to be working fine for them.
CountScrofula41-45, M
@Burnley123 Hahaha, yeahh. A lot of it comes down to the fact that political dynasties tend to have a 'use by' date, at least in parliamentary systems and it really looks like the Tories have hit theirs. If you have the right people in the wings ready to seize power, you can end up with huge, unlikely political swings because of it. Like what happened in Alberta.
Burnley12341-45, M
@CountScrofula Yes. Also in terms of social movements and institutional strength. The left is in a fragile state. Unions are week, prole are compliant and even the Corby manifesto woukd be centrist by Canadian standard. However, the left here is immeasurably stronger than I thought it could be just three years ago.

BTW, the Ndp ate fkd in the next elections ate the not? The alberta right have got united so you seemingly are really up agants it to keep the NDP in office.
CountScrofula41-45, M
@Burnley123 I absolutely believe the NDP are fucked.

All of the things that had to happen (oil is back up, the economy is strong, their ideas are working) are in place, and they're still unpopular. The only thing I can hope for is that the Conservative party self-destructs.
SW-User
I'm not sure anyone thinks any kind of brexit is going to be easy, that's not how it works, there's going to be a settling in period of course, it may be hard. Austerity measures do not work, Government investment is key to boosting a negative or stagnate economy, they are the main employer, remember?

We have the ability to vote and at the end of the day we can always revolt! There isn't anyone in the cabinet to withstand a 'miners strike' or 'poll tax' styled protest, no one. If the people are angry enough they will make change happen!
Burnley12341-45, M
@SW-User [quote] Austerity measures do not work, Government investment is key to boosting a negative or stagnate economy, they are the main employer, remember?[/quote]

I very much agree and support the Keynesian arguments on this. However, the point is that the political right do not care if austerity [i]works[/i] in a technical or human sense. They are free-market ideologues who want to use a crisis to cut the state and remake Britain in their own image. The point is to make enough people believe (or at least tacitly accept) the justifications for austerity, even if the people voicing them do not.

Yes, the public can resist, though that would require a level political organisation we have not seen in this country for some time. The Corbyn movement (which I am part of) is an alternative but Labour would inherit an awful situation if it came to power. Also, unions are weak. Hence why I think it is important for people to oppose hard-Brexit now so it doesn't come to that.
SW-User
@Brenda You may be called upon. LOL. With the cuts i'm unsure the government as the full support of the Police nor the Armed Services. I doubt it would happen in realty but it would be interesting, a civil war LOL 馃槣
Burnley12341-45, M
@Brenda I respect what your family did and its a shame they had to do that. My worry is that people might become too disillusioned to even resist.
NankerPhelge61-69, M
I don't know what to expect from politics any more. The trouble is, politics are no longer as black and white as they were when I first reached voting age. The whole world of politics has become fogged by grey areas. Why do you think that is, Burnley?
NankerPhelge61-69, M
@Burnley123 Exactly. If they don't want rebellion they should revert to when there was less to rebel against. Am I being too logical again?
Burnley12341-45, M
@NankerPhelge No. Your point makes sense. People should be angry.
NankerPhelge61-69, M
@Burnley123 I prefer to approach social and political issues without anger whenever possible. I thought the powers-that-be would prefer it that way as well.
AynRand100+, F
You always make such brainy posts. I approve. I think we could end up like East Germany before the Iron Curtain fell.
Burnley12341-45, M
@AynRand Thanks. I don't agree with your politics but I welcome good discussion.
Brenda61-69, F
Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit, Stay or Remain the only thing that is certain now is Prices will go up the same day the day after and the following days for at least 2 weeks :(
Burnley12341-45, M
@Brenda Prices have already gone up and will likely go up further once the process is complete. However, it'll be worse if we have a hard Brexit.
Brenda61-69, F
@Burnley123 The same old story with the Uk
Burnley12341-45, M
@Brenda Yes but it could get worse.
SatyrServiceM
thanks for your insight
PlatoscaveF
I am sorry it is shaking out the way it is. Not a good example for the world.

 
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