NO ONE IS ILLEGAL ON STOLEN LAND

@St0ut Cahokia in Illinois was bigger than London for most of its history. There's a lot of history out there that you've been ignoring. Oh, and the renaissance hadn't started in 1492. So maybe start by learning the facts of the history you pretend to know.

@mountainguy bigger than London. What the point Of that statement?


Renaissance dates. Are you sure you don’t wanna look that up?

So yeah. I stand by everything I said

@St0ut The renaissance--the part that's about science and technology, as opposed to about minor changes in church theology--was the early 1500s. Leonardo de Vinci etc. And really, what you're talking about has to do with scientific revolution stuff that wasn't until the mid-1600s. Europe was an utter backwater of barbarity until the Arabs taught them civilization and they were still way behind most of the world until around 1800. And white people have again fallen behind the rest of the world again and will stay there. Those brief 200 years of killing people and stealing their stuff don't really count for much in the grand scheme of things. And bigger than London? What's the point? Think about it. But really, I should have read your first post more closely. Someone with that poor a command of written language isn't going to convince anyone of the superiority of Europeans. It's not too late to go back to school.

@mountainguy omg you can write eloquent fiction. Congratulations.

“
Many argue that the ideas characterizing the Renaissance had their origin in late 13th-century Florence, in particular with the writings of Dante Alighieri (1265–1321) and Petrarch (1304–1374), as well as the paintings of Giotto di Bondone (1267–1337). Some writers date the Renaissance quite precisely; one proposed starting point is 1401, “

This is obviously equals 1650

The rest of you word salad is also opinion and slanted at that.


Bottom line the Indians didn’t advance thier cultur and perished. That’s darwinism in action

@St0ut Wikipedia. My, you're a genius. OK--name me one important technological advance of the 13th century in Europe. Just one. I'll wait. One that matters. And that you'd heard of before googling. You won't.
And Native Americans didn't disappear you racist, ignorant moron. There are tens of thousands of them and most of them are far smarter and better educated than you. They've specialized in law, are winning court cases all over the country, and are basically eating your lazy lunch.

Navigation

@mountainguy the point is. The Indians where stilll living in the Stone Age in 1450.
That’s on them no one else

@St0ut What about it? Europeans didn't invent any navigation technologies until the clocks that allowed them to calculate longitude in the 1700s (Harrison). All the rest was done by Arabs and Jewish merchants in North Africa. Buzz! You lose.

@St0ut Stone Age? OK--time to google Aztec, Incan, etc. Figured this was a problem of ignorance above all...

Yep allllm that advance metal work that has been found

Forging iron, Bronze, tin ??? Nope. Yes they where in the Stone Age. Much like the pre historic celts.



Stonehenge was still Stone Age

@St0ut Oh my, you really are special ain't ya.

Navigation wasn't a product of the Renaissance, was not a singularly European invention and, was around long before the 13th century.

@St0ut Ah, the old "Bronze Age" trick. Totally irrelevant for measuring civilizational complexity, but because dumb Europeans thought it was shiny and pretty they turned it into an evolutionary stage. Too bad you're still working with a racist, totally inaccurate way of thinking about history that no intelligent person has used in over 100 years. Besides, if intellectual achievement justifies genocide, let's look at your first sentence: "The year is 1492 Europe is in the height of a Renaissance the great permit some adult for over 6000 years China has been a country for 5000 years through his divorce mathmatics medicine science laws of navigation time keeping chemistry firearms." Um, I have to assume you don't speak any Indo-European language fluently, right? Otherwise, well, by your own standards, I have some Native and African engineer friends who'll be showing up at your house shortly to evict you and your family. All in the name of civilizational progress, you see. Fortunately we're also morally superior to you and won't eliminate you as well.

@mountainguy So just as long as they only use math original and exclusive to the native American tribes and nothing else. Good luck with that

@St0ut As long as Europeans only use math exclusive to European tribes. Very good luck with that. XXXIII+LVII=you're an idiot.

@mountainguy how are you morally superior. What do moral have to with anything.

Alll I am saying is that if you don’t evolve you culture it dies. This is darwinism. The nativism Americans failed. To advance thier culture beyond the Paleolithic era.


No one forced them to stop advancing thier culture they choose to.

@mountainguy Yes please compare Rome in let’s say 200bc to the Apache 1720. That is a perfect example.
That suppprts your argument well

@St0ut Um, the morality of even though my friends and I are intellectually superior to you we're not going to exterminate you, your wife, your children, etc. You seem to be justifying that behavior based on a totally BS claim that sixteenth century Europeans were intellectually superior to Native Americans. I'm just pointing out where your logic would lead were it to be applied to your sorry case.

Native cultures did evolve--and still do evolve. They still exist, much, I'm sure, to your great disappointment. The idea that they stopped evolving is simply a lie based on your total and utter ignorance of both history and the current situation in the US. The only culture sliding backwards into the dark ages is that created by spoiled white American baby boomers. Have you checked out the local physics department lately? The math department? The best classical musicians? The best pop musicians? The best poets and novelists? The top nanotechnologists? The closest true thing you've said is that no one has forced Trumpers to stop advancing their culture--they truly have chosen to.

In any case, no one is talking about evolving cultures. We're talking about the ethics of a bunch of spoiled lazy white people exterminating others, stealing their land, enslaving millions so that they don't have to work, and then whining like spoiled brats when others show up and very politely work alongside them--harder, smarter, and for less money. But clearly expecting you to have paid attention to the original post is way too optimistic.
[PS my god, man, learn how to spell!!]

@St0ut How about comparing the Brits c.1400 to, say, the Aztecs c.1300, or the Malians c. 1200? Or how about picking some more random, irrelevant facts out of your butt? Face it, you don't know much about history other than what you've seen on TV and even that you've filtered through your racist, decrepit mind. Read a book or two about native history, read a book or two about European history, read about the conquests, and do some soul searching. [And if you PM me your address, my engineer friends will be happy to take possession of your house by the end of the week. Promise!]

@mountainguyi don’t respond to threats well

@St0ut No threats here. You're offering to give up your house, right? I mean, that's where your logic leads. A Native engineer or doctor is clearly your intellectual superior, so you've made it clear it's totally appropriate for them to send you packing. Your culture has stagnated. The only threats here are those coming from you, justifying genocide, which is a hate crime and a violation of SW's terms of service.

@St0ut In any case, this has gotten boring. Arguing with someone who doesn't know basic facts and changes his terms for justifying hate crimes and murder over and over is a waste of my valuable time. Bye!