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why don't people vote Independent?

I've never really understood why people don't use their right to vote until now. In the last election between Hilary and Trump, there was such a great divide. Sure, we all have our different beliefs, but why does it always have to be Republican or Democrat? Do we even take the time to research the ideas of Independent Party? I've come to a point where I'm genuinely confused on where to place my vote. I sure don't wan't another 4 years of Trump's ignorance and spreading hate. And I love my gay and transgender friends, but I don't want somebody in charge who will try to ban the Bible or Christian literature because it is 'offensive'. I can no longer support gay marriage and abortion. When people go against homosexuality, oftentimes, it isn't to be cruel, but it is Biblical. God stands against it and want's you to turn away from it because he loves you.

There is such a strong stance on Woman's right's and the right to choose that we are choosing something something that is also against God and does have a lasting effect on women negatively. I know; I'm going through it now. When I was young, I made a devastating decision that tore my life apart. It resulted in shame and guilt, depression, regret, grief and sorrow. Anyone who cares about women and their rights should never allow abortion. It literally takes part of her soul. It takes a life, and that life is part of her. It doesn't fix a problem and hit isn't a solution to an unplanned pregnancy. It is something that is forever ingrained in her mind as a reminder of the death and murder of her unborn babies. When women face that decision,usually they have no knowledge of of the aftereffects and the longevity of it.
Graylight · 51-55, F
I know that here in Florida, registered independents cannot vote in primaries. That ties our hands in the process, and many of us just aren't willing to do that. But I agree - technically we have any number of political parties but people believe they must vote Democrat or Republican. Look where that's gotten us.
sweetiepoo · 36-40, F
@Graylight 😲, really?
Graylight · 51-55, F
@sweetiepoo True story. I'm not sure whether other states do this as well, but it seems to me it really ties the hands of voters and forces them into one of the two major parties if they want to be a part of the election process.
Because of this delusion called the two party system.

Democrats are just anti-Republicans and vice versa.

And if you don't vote Republican you hate God and America. And if you don't vote Democrat you hate women and children and diversity.

So people cave according to social pressure and guilt. Fear. Anxiety.

Like one page adds in papers saying one can't be a Christian and vote for this guy. Like being race and gender checked and guilted to vote for the other guy. Hillary rolling out Steinem to guilt young women.

When you are presented with two choices, A and not-A, it's hard to think that there is another choice B.
Femme4thewin · 22-25, F
Dude your religion cannot determines what people do with their lives and bodies.
OggggO · 36-40, M
Because the combination of "winner take all" and "you can only vote for one candidate" inevitably leads to a two party system. If whoever gets the plurality of votes gets all the representation, and you can't indicate more than one preference, then most people are going to go with who they feel is their safest choice, not necessarily who they want most. Thus, say there are 5 parties, one party consistently getting 30% of the vote and the rest somewhere between 15% and 20% each. That first party is going to get almost all of the positions up for election, only losing in areas where they are locally unpopular. Any other party's best bet then, is to merge with the most ideologically similar party, bolstering their numbers into the lead. Then other parties would also have to merge to remain competitive, and so on until there were only two left, each appealing to broad but contrasting demographics.
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
Both the GOP and the Democratic parties are actually more like coalitions than singular parties. In our winner-take-all system, losing by even just one vote means you get nothing. It means half the constituents don't get represented at all. It's not proportional representation. A party that loses is a party with nothing. So they each individual party looked around, found the other party that had the most compatible platform, and joined together on the same ticket, to combine their voting bases. Better to win with a compromise than lose and get nothing. This process simply continued until there were only two coalition super-parties, at which time they consolidated the election and finance laws to secure their own positions and prevent third parties from being able to run independently as much as possible.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
In an election you vote floor the person most likely to change the world according to your set of principles. This requires the person having a reasonable chance winning the election.
Niburu · 51-55, M
[quote]@Niburu its not my point of view. It is called civics. You accept the people's choice. [/quote]

Where have I indicated I don't accepts the peoples choice?

[quote]Spoiled brats who don't accept other people's choices bitch and moan about the system.
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I have voted within our existing system for the candidates I have liked at no point have I complained about it.
What I have disparadged are people without enough courage to vote for they're preferred candidate.


[quote]The US has the best independent president in decades if not in history and snot nosed brat you tries to blame the system. Grow the hell up.
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Where the fuck do you see me blaming the system for anything?
sweetiepoo · 36-40, F
@hippyjoe1955 yeah, that's true, I don't know what Independents always believe, but I wonder if they will ever have a real shot at winning an election.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@sweetiepoo I don't know if that would even be desirable.there is that little issue with fracturing the electorate into ever smaller segments each demanding their pet project. We see it already with the behaviour of the Democrats and their politics of division.
SW-User
The U.S. is intended to be disunited by the way it is set up. Until people realize that and wake up to all the matters going about AROUND this pointless distraction, we have to vote "left this" "right that" and all that jazz :/
SW-User
What if I do not believe in God? Isn't that a "right" too? Don't I have the "right" not to have my personal choices dictated by other's religious beliefs?
SW-User
@MistyCee I am really frustrated by it. Whatever happened to separation of church and state?
@SW-User the Democrats still believe in it, as do a lot of Republicans. Both the Catholic Church and the Methodists aren't happy with our little neo Fascist experiment, and one of the weird quirks of the Trump clan is the orthodox Jewish connection.

Honestly, freedom of religion is not that at risk at the moment, really, I think. I'm kind of happy about that actually, because things would be much worse without the Evangelical influence.

I'm not a big fan of organized religion, but the folks who run them tend to think long term, and stability and humanity are things most of them value.
sweetiepoo · 36-40, F
@SW-User of course you do.
There may well be a third party choice this time around, but it may not be exactly what you're looking for.

It sounds like you're looking for a traditional Republican platform, honestly, and your far from alone.
sweetiepoo · 36-40, F
@MistyCee Yeah the only thing about the "traditional Republican" platform is that they traditionally don't help the people and cater mostly to the rich.
SW-User
Because people are told over and over again that if they don't vote the one way or the other, they're wasting their vote. And they [i]believe[/i] it.
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