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Do you have evidence to say that immigration damages your country?

Economic or otherwise. This is not gonna be a debate about the legality or ethics of immigration, just the impact. Anecdotal evidence is less neutral and less significant than statistics.
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kate21 · 26-30, F
It does suppress wages in low-skill industries.

I’m pro-immigration, but that’s something to address.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@kate21 Perhaps it does. Do you have evidence to say that?
chrisCA · M
@kate21 Maybe employers are taking advantage of immigrants?
GeniUs · 56-60, M
@Burnley123 You're sounding very 'Conservative party' with this line of argument. Whilever there are more people to be employed than jobs, wages will be held low; no without spending huge sums of money the 'evidence' for this will not be available.
My own point would be that for every economic migrant that becomes employed, that is a job an unemployed resident of the country they migrated to could have filled. And once again without spending significant sums of money to support this there is no evidence it is a thesis but you are welcome to counter both these arguments if you wish.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@GeniUs You clearly know my politics but being pro-immigration is not a right-wing issue. It has never been and immigrants are a scapegoat for lots of problems. Its the Tories who implemented the hostile environment policy in the UK and they have a history of UKIPesque flirtation, including Enoch Powell. My own view is that freedom of capital without freedom of movement advantages the market but not the people. Its this that is responsible for the race to the bottom.

I asked people to provide evidence the other way. Here is evidence of the positive Impact:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/immigration-uk-economy-what-are-the-benefits-stats-theresa-may-amber-rudd-tory-conference-speeches-a7346121.html
GeniUs · 56-60, M
Ok 5.4 million migrants employed, 1.4 million unemployed people in the country.
A small % of those employed will have a specialised skill set that is not found in the country they have moved to, why is (unemployment like) this a problem? Unemployment costs, we are a country with spiralling debt. The reasons are there to object to immigration if a potato head like me can see them surely there is a problem, it just gets clouded by racists and people with other agendas putting in.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@GeniUs Our unemployment rate is actually really low. You are never ever gonna get much better than it is now. Immigrants contribute more than they takeout (as my link shows) because the vast majority work, pay their taxes and use relatively little services. I don't think you are racist, I just respectfully disagree.
kate21 · 26-30, F
@Burnley123 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@kate21 Thanks. Number two on my list in all these comments. Ill respond tomorrow
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@kate21 The fault doesn't lie with immigrants though, it lies with greedy owners and employers. Working people don't really have countries. Many of us have moved to different countries (this includes Americans btw) for work opportunities. Instead of fighting with fellow workers, we need to band together.
GeniUs · 56-60, M
I have a number of problems with the information in that article even if I accept it on face value, as it is portrayed to make immigration appear a positive thing.
The NHS relying on migrant labour to provide the service it does. A country should be able to provide a health service with all but very few specialists drawn from the native workforce, that the NHS cannot requires investigation ( I could suggest reasons this is the case).
Also I have issue with some of your points:
"Our unemployment rate is actually really low", accepting the level of unemployment is not acceptable (for want of a better phrase).
"Immigrants contribute more than they takeout (as my link shows) because the vast majority work, pay their taxes and use relatively little services"
I could not find how the link portrayed this but it is a statement I have heard before but without knowing the measures for such a statement it means nothing. Have they included the burden on the NHS, law enforcement, housing, other infrastructure? Or is it just a statement saying that taxes paid in are in excess of benefits paid out?
I hope before accepting that article you have questioned every point it raises.