Are you against feminism, why?

@PUBGGuy Yes and that is a whole other topic really, "what is true equality"

@attaboy Being born is true equality. If only men were born then it'd be a tipping point. Everyone has the same chances starting out. The ones that bring us into the world make it harder or easier depending on how hard they worked.

@PUBGGuy Humanism.. Lol.
Me too.

@PUBGGuy But thats not the case. People have different advantages and disadvantages depending on social class, gender, ethnicity and so on and that makes it un-equal

@attaboy You just said what I said but differently. It's on those that bring us into the world. The idea that success is whatever social media dictates is what creates this inequality feeling. Everyone starts off with a chance. The same way.

But no, you only say that when we are born, we then have the same chance for whatever life we want. You dont concsider what is happening on the way that slows some down and helps other. And yes I agree that we are defining "success" too much

@attaboy nothing is slowing you down and nothing is speeding you up. Your defined by the work you put in just like everyone else. No one's slowed down. And the reason I know this is because I've started entirely from the bottom of the Barrell and worked my way up along with my siblings. A family of 2 boys and 2 girls. My mom taught us what hard work is don't complain and learn to follow before you can lead and now we're all doing great. No one's held back. Just told they are to blame someone else for their failures.

@PUBGGuy I have too, my parents have too. I have busted my ass too. But. You are missing the point tho, not everyone have the same chance to getting a job due to discrimination, not everyone feel safe on the bus due to discrimination, some people dont go to school due to it, get lower wages than they deserve and so on and so on. Discrimination is everywhere and no matter how hard you work, you can work your ass of. And you still cant make up for how the discrimination gives you disadvantages. But sure. Go on and say that some people dont get disadvantaged due to discrimination.

I'm not saying discrimination doesn't exist. I'm saying you cna either sit and cry like a baby about it. Or you cna strap you boots on and get to work. You do t have to create a whole movement on the premise of being at a disadvantage which attracts ANYONE who feels they are at a disadvantage not to mention and entire gender. It's not manageable at that point and the following itself get misconstrued and the original premise of the group gets lost. Feminist are nuts these days. We as human beings are always competing. And we always will. It's the harsh reality of life.

@PUBGGuy Yes, and i think most people need to tough it up. But shouldnt we ALSO work towards a society where noone feels threatened or discriminated due to how they where born?

@attaboy Well thats the thing, realistically, the amount of people that care about how you were born is so small.... you'll more than likely never encounter the kind of prejudices of the 18th, 19th, or 20th century. The internet social media, the news media bring those things ALOT closer to home than they ever really will be. We should work towards that, but we have to understand that its not an attainable goal and TRUE equality doesn't have a gender specific name. Its humanistic goals. For the Human race. I think people just need to toughen the hell up stop complaining and be fucking grateful they aren't living in areas where children are being sold into sex slavery or workforce rings or women and men aren't beheaded in the streets. Fucking America is amazing. And its the one place theres more feminists than anywhere else. That doesn't make ANY sense. Worry bout your own shit. Bring yourself up and help others on case by case basis. Entire groups of people feeling disenfranchised is toxic and not controllable. One person helping another day in and day out is. Protests are also great for the economy, still giving money to the people they say are against women. Ha its ironic. ANYWAY, your response?

@PUBGGuy Ok. To begin with, yes its fricking amazing that things are SOOOO much better than they were. And I'm greatful. People need to toughen up, A LOT. And i think that in many cases this is played of in a dumb way, as you said. And I know "true equality" is something that doesnt exist and i dont strive for it either. But are you serious? I have grown up being afraid to fall asleep on public transport, having someone standing behind me and humping at my butt becuase it is fun. Growing up I have been told to stay to the group and be careful walking home at night, having to call my friends when I get home, otherwise they think I got attacked. I grew up with older boys screaming at me that they wanted to fuck me. And when I stand up for myself I am seen as emotional. When someone says something sexist, wich is OFTEN, I have nothing to say; if I do say my part I am "hysterical" and if I dont, I fuel the problem. I as a woman will always be at a disadvantage in my feild of studies where men are the ones who take the spotlight, where men get the jobs and I will never make as much money as my male coworkers do. Not because I will do the job worse but due to that I am a woman. I CONSTANTLY have to defend myself, I constantly have to have my guard up and people make us feel like we are nothing but a sexualized object for mens fantasies. I dont say every men fuels this problem with actual threats or acts, I dont say that many men do. But we meet enough each day for this to be a huge problem. Its rooted in the system and how we think and its a problem.
Once again. Tell me that to my face again, huh?

@attaboy Its a huge problem that needs people who work on improving the situation

@attaboy where are they "so much better"?

@sighmeupforthat well the rights and social enviroment is so much better than it was 100 years ago

@attaboy Well see thats where we differ, My children will NOT let things like that happen to them, because I won't let it. I'm sorry your parents or guardians were so not inclined to do anything about that. But, mine won't be disenfranchise. They won't grow up feeling that way. They will work hard and show their pride in their work. They won't complain, they'll learn to be leaders and if someone tries to feel them up or touch them or put them at a disadvantage in some way they'll have the lady balls to put a stop to it right then and there. And I obviously can't say this to your face because its over the internet but i will happily type it. My daughters will be stronger than you.

@PUBGGuy LET?! LET THESE THINGS HAPPEN?!! Are you joking? I, and many other women, do everything we can. But things doesnt change. Wich is why issues like theese needs to be adressed.
And you did wrong in insulting me for discussing an issue wich you clearly dont understand. Correct me if im wrong. But you havent been degraded your whole life due to your gender, right? How does standing up for an issue, trying to change things, not whining, but trying to change a faulty system make me weak

@attaboy I'm not joking, my daughters won't LET....LET, those horrible things happen to them. EVER, because I will be there to teach them. To mentor them. That if they want to help people they can, person to person. but they will know they're role in the universe as I teach them it. and they won't get on sites like this trying to argue about how weak they were or how they're parents failed them. But blaming a system that has done nothing but give rights to minorities and genders for the past 200 years.

@PUBGGuy Lmao come on dude.

@QuixoticSoul what?

@PUBGGuy There are just multiple layers of naiveté at work here.

You are not an island, and do not control everything that happens in your life. Your children are not going to be superhumans, and both luck and their environment will play a huge role in how things turn out for them as well - as for all of us.

I suspect (or hope) that when/if you have daughters, you'll take a closer look at how society impacts their lives.