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Is the Incel movement the natural consequence of feminism?

If so, should Incels be provided with compliant female clones? Or Filipino women?
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
It's a big social problem but it's not down to feminism.

The decline of monogamy means that some men get a lot more sex than others, especially when they are young. Some men sleep around whereas others are left celebate. Female dating behaviour tends to cluster around the mean average, whereas male dating 'success' is more likely to be one extreme or the other.

The alt right incels blame this on feminism. The argument goes that because women have more power and more choice now, an inevitable result is that some men will form a sexual underclass. The incels therefore hate women personally and hate feminism politically. Also, the Internet means that many of these young men develop this unhealthy group think and move further away from understanding women as people. Not all men can be Chad but very few women are Stacy, though in their isolated world d such primitive views can make sense.

I think that a lot of the dedate around this issue lacks maturity and that the actions of some people are more likely to reinforce reactionary attitudes. If an incel is told that they are a loser and that it is their fault, then they are more ikely to go down the manosphere rabbit hole. Society does not like men who show vulnerability and reactionary anger is often a result of unresolved insecurity. In the first instance, the incels are right to say that they are in a disadvantaged position and are also right to say that people show a lack of toleration towards them which would be afforded to other 'minority groups'. People with other problems are shown more undestanding and less judgement. They are at the bottom of a brutal hierarchy and also in a position which allows them no progressive kudos nor any sympathy.

Where the political incels are wrong, is to believe that they are entitled to force another human being to have sex with them. It's based on the idea that men are entitled to sexual autonomy (and abundance) yet women are merely sexual objects who are subservient to the needs of men. The political incels want to replace one social hierarchy (of sexual desirability) with another more reactionary one in which their problems are solved by coertion. They want to swap Fight Club for the Handmaid's tale.

Real solutions to this problem are hard but I think legalised prostitution is one potential answer. I also think society needs to remove the shaming of men who (for whatever reason) are not having sex. Also, young men need to be taught to improve other aspects of their lives in order to be an effective partner. When women hit their late twenties, priorities change and most of them are more concerned with finding a responsible father to their children than a 'Chad'. Though for young men on the Internet, that is a difficult thing to see.
SW-User
@Burnley123 Wow, this is the most balanced and nuanced response on this topic I've seen yet.

Voted for BA
helenS · 36-40, F
@Burnley123 I’d like to establish a larger community of females, the only purpose of which would be poking as much fun at incels as possible.
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SW-User
@helenS Isn't that already Tumblr?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@SW-User Thank you. As I say, a lot of debate on this topic does lack maturity.
helenS · 36-40, F
@SW-User Yes maybe you’re right.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Burnley123 Perfect well rounded answer in my book.
Northwest · M
@Burnley123 [quote]They want to swap Fight Club for the Handmaid's tale.[/quote]

This about sums it up. Bottom line, is that there is this whole InCel thing, is self-made, and legalized prostitution may not be the solution. If Mnuchen, can find himself a wife, certainly any InCel can take a shower, brush their teeth, and have a decent conversation with someone, even if it's online.