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Gender equality is a joke. What do you think?

Let me explain before you start commenting stuff. If you didn't read the whole thing and you start commenting... I don't know. Ill reply with whatever. Anyways From what I see, It's not about giving women opportunity and a fair play, it's about treating them like hyped up blowup dolls who can do everything a man can do. So that means if the men are winning a fair competition in any category, succeeding more so to speak. It's a problem and we need to help these damsels to help feed their ego. Gender equality is basically just helping women to have more of an ego. More results to something they don't deserve.
Lets give an analogy:
There in existence is two people. Person A and Person B. We give both equal opportunity in this world of free will. We don't give a damn if they're A or B. Just do it correctly and you will get there. But then suddenly. Person A is complaining suddenly saying it's outrageous that Person B can do more work that's better and giving every excuse in the book and instead of trying harder to achieve those results like a genuine ethical person. They demand special privileges for themselves. Person A now has their own category.[b] Now Person A and B no longer have equal opportunity.[/b] They have equal results though. Should we as people treat them equally then? I mean they both are in a position that we have to assume they reached fairly. But no they didn't. We all know Person A had short cuts because of the priviliges they demanded. We all know the true person who reached there through hard work and talent was Person B. Now you could say there are people like Person A who reached the heights of Person B but it's muddled by this now UNEQUAL opportunity that is unfair to Person B. I don't believe in giving you a reward because you gave me tears of pain. I don't believe in giving you in what you DON'T deserve because you're weak. I believe in giving to those who deserve it. Who tried hard and reached the sky and even farther. I'm sorry but that is not women. Not now at least. They are respected not because they're equal to men but because they are weaker than men. They use to be respected for the genuine work they did in the past. But now it's considered more of an insult than anything and we more value hard working women. But what is their to value if the only reason we value these women is because we feel bad for them. We feel bad so we have to help them. There are probably women who jumped through great heights to earn their position like judge judy for example. But its muddled by the mess we allowed. In order to give women a bigger ego. Men are awesome and so are women but this shit isn't equal. It's a mess and you expect everyone to agree with it and view a man who didn't need gender quotas, didn't need their genitals, didn't need a womans help. To get where they are now. NOW they have to lower themselves and give their hardwork to women in order to help them and the worst part is a lot of women have no respect for them, and think it's their fault. The past had gender roles for a reason! We didn't have the amount of technology, free time. To mess with our lives in order to experiment with genders. It was always easier for women and men to have specific roles to what they were GOOD at. Sorry not sorry.
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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
I did read the whole thing but tbh you did repeat a lot and it could of been shorter.

I think you completely mischaracterise the feminist position on this. The problem as I see it is not that women don't get equal pay for doing less work, but that they get less pay for doing the same work.

Also, the best example of a high achieving woman you could come up with is Judge Judy. 😆

Seriously?
PiceousPanda · 22-25, F
@Burnley123 Evidence shows otherwise. They get paid for the work they do. Which is what feminist are compainign as equal. Look at the actual salary comparisons.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@PiceousPanda http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/04/09/gender-pay-gap-facts/

Not sure what studies you have seen. I'm interested so please post a link.
prawntobewild · 36-40, F
@PiceousPanda incorrect.
PiceousPanda · 22-25, F
"One reason is that our study estimates the gender gap in hourly earnings while the government estimates the gap in weekly earnings. We chose to use hourly earnings, estimated as usual weekly earnings divided by usual hours worked in a week, because it irons out differences in earnings due to differences in hours worked."

If you look into how they take these statistics it isn't accurate. They try to make it as close as possible but they do not take into the dozens of factors that any indivudal would face like pay raise? More hourse worked. Not just full time. etc
PiceousPanda · 22-25, F
@prawntobewild prove me wrong
PiceousPanda · 22-25, F
@Burnley123 The thing is when it comes to pay it can never be the same for any individual because theyre are to many factors to take place. It is not a controlled study. Its one with endless factors.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@PiceousPanda Nope, the obligation is on you to prove an assertion correct in a debate

However, I did provide a link to a study by a reputable company and there are lots of others I could have picked. You provided a quote but no link so it could be from any random ass crank website. Or maybe not, if you could copy and paste the link please?
PiceousPanda · 22-25, F
@Burnley123 Its in the link you showed me lol
Pherick · 41-45, M
@PiceousPanda The quote you provided still doesn't mean anything, it merely states how the statistics are different based on how the data was gathered.

Your words below the quote is just your feeling on why you think the statistics aren't accurate.

That proves nothing.
PiceousPanda · 22-25, F
@Pherick I am saying the statistic isnt accurate because it doesnt show the actual difference in what women are paid it doesnt actually show what women and men get paid by the actual hour. It shows the avergae via full time and we all should know men work overtime waay more. by several hours at the most. men get more raises because they ask for it more.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@PiceousPanda I've read it through twice again and still can't find that specific quote. Maybe it's late or the link didn't work but whatever.

You say evidence shoes I'm wrong but provided none and then said that statistics can't be accurate due to the multiplicity of factors. You say evidence proves you right, yet you then say no evidence is possible.

What evidence supports your claim?
Pherick · 41-45, M
@PiceousPanda I am not sure where you are getting your quote above, or where you are getting your last post.

From the link Burnlet123 posted ...
[quote]In 2017, women earned 82% of what men earned, according to a Pew Research Center analysis of median hourly earnings of both full- and part-time workers in the United States. Based on this estimate, it would take an extra 47 days of work for women to earn what men did in 2017.[/quote]

Average of hourly earnings ...
prawntobewild · 36-40, F
Many people's first response to reports of the pay gap is to try and unpick the data. Last year, the average national pay gap was 18.4 per cent, which includes both full- and part-time workers. However, it was widely reported as 9.1 per cent - the statistic for full-timers only.

To exclude part-time workers omits part of the picture. More women work part-time (mainly because they do more of the unpaid caring responsibilities that result from the lack of affordable care) and there's a shortage of opportunities for part-time workers. If you’re still not convinced, consider that in London alone men earned £70 billion more than women in 2016. That number is harder to argue with.
prawntobewild · 36-40, F
sorry thats an article in the Telegraph (a british newspaper)
PiceousPanda · 22-25, F
https://www.npr.org/2011/02/14/133599768/ask-for-a-raise-most-women-hesitate


https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/atus.pdf
PiceousPanda · 22-25, F
@prawntobewild I wasn't speaking on part time and full time. I was speaking on hours worked. Full time is not hours work. Its the average full time. Its not about nit picking. The issue is when u do a study. If their are factors that come to play. IT IS NOT ACCURATE. If you're asking me to accept you're study when it doesn't take in every factor that makes the gap. Then I don't know what to say to you. Do I?
prawntobewild · 36-40, F
6. But women just need to ask for more money!
Women earn less than men because they just aren’t as assertive when negotiating salaries, numerous men explained last summer when the BBC figures were published.

But studies have shown that when women do negotiate, whatever tone they take, it can have a negative impact on their chances of being hired for the job. Carrie Gracie has demonstrated that even when a woman outright asks for the same salary as the men, and is told she will get it, it still doesn’t happen. That's one myth is time to kill for good.

(from the same article i posted from earlier )
prawntobewild · 36-40, F
im just posting from an article - full time or part time makes no difference, the facts are the facts, there is a difference in pay, which is inequality.
PiceousPanda · 22-25, F
@prawntobewild Yeah but U was just giving him the study to explain the factors. I dont see the point in ur quotation.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@PiceousPanda Sorry but I'm still confused about the quote that you said was from my article. Neither Pherick or I can find it and I think you got that quote from somewhere else lol.
PiceousPanda · 22-25, F
@prawntobewild If u take a study that isnt controlled. Do u. It is still general. It is accurate. If you choose to ask for more help, more priviliges. Then idk
PiceousPanda · 22-25, F
@Burnley123 It was from the link the article used lol. on how they take the evidence lol. All im saying is that it isnt accurate which is true and ur askng me to ignore the factors and take it for what it is.
prawntobewild · 36-40, F
Im starting to think it doesnt matter what evidence anyone shows you, you only like the evidence you agree with.
PiceousPanda · 22-25, F
@prawntobewild Or maybe its you. I looked at every evidence and I gave you my answer. Its you who wont excpet things u wont agree with.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@PiceousPanda You could have said so but tbf you have dug a bit to cherry pick something so we'll done for that.

Your conclusion is still wrong.

As has been said, hourly earnings are a more accurate measure of like for like work, which was the point of your post.

The Pew report acknowledges the problems with data gathering, which is why it accounts for multiple factors and hedges its bets on the reasons why. Though they do find that four in ten women have experienced gender discrimination. It's hard to argue therefore that discrimination isn't one factor behind gender pay gap.