Do trump supporters know he really isn't the savior type person he claims to be or...

@EllaDisenchanted If trump was better than the alternative, why did he need Putin's help?

@Joaquin If Clinton was better than Trump why did she have to focus on vagina politics instead of standing on her own abilities and merit?

Same answer: politics don't exist in a bubble

@EllaDisenchanted Misogyny isn't a big deal to submissive women, is it? But it [b]is[/b] a big deal for women like Hillary Clinton. So yeah, being the first female POTUS is pretty significant. But she didn't rely on "vagina politics." 🙄 Did you watch the debates? Ummm, trump was an embarrassment. She destroyed him. We had a choice between THE most qualified person per their political background to ever run in U.S history and a megalomaniacal sociopath who is controlled by Putin. Yay, good job, you.

@Joaquin Best Answer!!!

@Joaquin THE most qualified? Clinton?

So it the window with Lincoln, Bill Clinton, Kennedy and Roosevelt?

She wad better spoken than him, no doubt. But she had no feasible solutions for the problems she was trying to broach or promises being made.

Go ahead and and make personal attacks about my personality but when someone tries to use me as a voting bloc they have to go beyond trying rhetoric. Especially when there's more than two candidates and they're almost all better choices than both trump and Clinton.

@EllaDisenchanted [quote]But she had no feasible solutions for the problems
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and he had and has feasible solutions? where were and are they?

@ladycae He opened up better small business laws and lobbying options, immediately started introducing VA improvements and healthcare and spurred the economy on with optimism that hasn't happened since Obama's first run. The first two being promises from his campaign.

Clinton encouraged women to dress as vagibas to protest... being seen as sex objects.

Choices, choices

@EllaDisenchanted he inherited a great economy, a year n the stock market is tanking and we are facing a huge deficit which starting next year is going to make taxes wat]y up. the va is a mess and who did he want to replace the guy he first chose to run it and made it worse, his army physician whom he knew 2 months. that optimism quickly turned to pessimism giving him the lowest approval rating in history. a campaign promise needs to last more than 6 months to consider being fulfilled. otherwise, its called a failure.

trump paid off women to not reveal he slept with them, others he just slept with , he bragged on tape about grabbing any woman's pussy he wanted and is currently being sued for child molestation and defamation by one of the women he molested and you say Clinton did some bogus thing that made people ex objects.

i bet you watch a lot of fox news and regularly drink the kool-aide too. you're a sheep being led to the laughter by the man named the worst president in history after only 1 year in. yup, that's the man who had and carried out all the great solutions.

@ladycae @EllaDisenchanted EllaDisenchanted does raise the beliefs that trump's core supporters have chosen to stick with despite the mounting evidence that ladycae mentions are reasons why those beliefs no longer have any merit.

Even looking back, both trump and Clinton do seem like a choice of two flawed candidates. To me though, trump has infused a strong stench of indecency into the mix since he is president and Clinton isn't.

Many trump fans claim those of us who despise what trump has done need to get over the fact that he was elected. But, the same can be said for trump and his fan base. He WAS elected... he shouldn't still be acting like he is running against Hillary. The comparisons with her are no longer relevant because she doesn't have a presidential record. trump does and what he has produced doesn't match the talking points that are being recited by him and his followers.

Personally, I do see how ladycae's assessment mirrors reality and all the ranting and raving about the pre-tested "fake news" catchphrase only seems to bring out more of the tin-foil crowd who insist we never were on the moon, 9/11 was an inside job, the earth is flat, and donald trump is misunderstood. In reality, trump isn't a working man (he inherited his business), he isn't a successful businessman (it doesn't take a stable genius or any other kind of genius to make a business work if you walk away from debts 4+ times by declaring bankruptcy each time), and he isn't honest, sincere, or straightforward. Again, whether the same could be said of Hillary or not is no longer relevant. GET OVER IT... she didn't win... she isn't president... she can't be impeached. trump did win, he is president, and he can (and should and hopefully will be) impeached once the evidence is presented.

@MarkPaul And if there's impeachable evidence thenhe should be held entirely accountable.

I've really not jumped the fake news bandwagon outside of not believing anything on Facebook because... well, Facebook... and cases where things are downright down to have been staged. So any actual evidence is actual evidence. Buy wer all misery question and everything we're fed by media, no matter the source.

Again, no matter what happens I still hope people will be more receptive to third party this next election.

@TotalMiss He ran as Republican. How he's acting or handling things might say otherwise but I'm looking at chosen running party.

@EllaDisenchanted and NearMiss,,,,he is registered as an independent in new York,ran on the republican ticket,

@Bluesky1962 Now, that's interesting. So, can a registered Independent who ran on the Republican ticket and now formally self-identifies with the Republican Party for practical and political purposes be legitimately considered 3rd party?

he may've had to register to be republican,,,,,but indie up to then,

@Bluesky1962 But, he's not "Indie" now. The Republican Party recognizes him as the head of it's "establishment," right? And, he accepts that role, correct?

true,but i'm not that far into it,

@TotalMiss And, so the Republican Party (which is not a 3rd party) has a new platform. They haven't suddenly transformed into a 3rd party. Like it or not, you are supporting an establishment party and enjoying that an interloper (of moron caliber) has commandeered it. New platform; same (establishment) party.

@TotalMiss The entire world is changing. That's nothing that is necessarily unique or cause for self-congratulating arrogance. trump is transforming the Republican Party, no different than Bush, Reagan, Bush transformed it into one that reflected their values and Carter, Clinton, and Obama transformed the Democratic Party to reflect their priorities. It's how politics works in a democracy. It changes with each new leader. In that sense, [u]nothing[/u] has changed.

@TotalMiss In case you haven't noticed... trump is the only one who is president now. NEWSFLASH... trump won the election and he is the president. So, that's why he gets all this attention (that apparently coincides with the attention he craves).

The other Presidents acknowledged their role as President of the country. trump accepts his limited role as only a savior-type of a minority (although active, but largely uneducated) part of the population.