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beckyromero · 36-40, F
@carpediem
[quote]I strongly believe history will expose Mr. Obama as the worst foreign policy president in our country's history. First with the unilateral removal of the missile shield a month after he took office with virtually nothing in return. Then with the failure to secure a status agreement in Iraq. All the way through from one bungled mess (Arab spring, Syria, Libya, and more) after another to the Iran nuke deal. Finesse of a surgeon you say? More like Neville Chamberlain.[/quote]
For all of Neville Chamberlain's failings, weakening the British military was not one of them.
In 1937, his government made the decision for a buildup of fighter aircraft instead of bombers, a decision that ended up being the crucial difference that won the Battle of Britain in 1940.
As Chancellor of the Exchequer in October 1936 (he became PM in May 1937) Chamberlain told the Cabinet, "Air power was the most formidable deterrent to war that could be devised."
He then worked to greatly expand the Royal Air Force budget: from £16.78 million in 1933 to £105.702 million in 1939.
While Chamberlain may have been hopelessly naïve about Hitler initially, he also relied on anticipated casualty estimates prepared by the Committee of Imperial Defence that greatly over-estimated the potential civilian deaths from a German bombing campaign against Britain: 500,000 in the first three weeks of a war; 150,000 in the first week alone.
General Sir Edmund Ironside wrote in his diary in 1938: "We have not the means of defending ourselves and he [Chamberlain] knows it... [i]We cannot expose ourselves to a German attack. We simply commit suicide if we do.[/i]" (emphasis in the original).
In September 1938, one year before the invasion of Poland, General Sir Hastings Ismay of the CID told the Cabinet that time was on Britain's side.
"From the military point of view, time is in our favour...if war with Germany has to come, it would be better to fight her in say 6–12 months' time than to accept the present challenge."
So, please. Chamberlain has already been maligned enough for his part in history. No need to tarnish his reputation further by comparing his actions to Obama's bumbling, incompetent, ignorant lack of leadership.
[quote]I strongly believe history will expose Mr. Obama as the worst foreign policy president in our country's history. First with the unilateral removal of the missile shield a month after he took office with virtually nothing in return. Then with the failure to secure a status agreement in Iraq. All the way through from one bungled mess (Arab spring, Syria, Libya, and more) after another to the Iran nuke deal. Finesse of a surgeon you say? More like Neville Chamberlain.[/quote]
For all of Neville Chamberlain's failings, weakening the British military was not one of them.
In 1937, his government made the decision for a buildup of fighter aircraft instead of bombers, a decision that ended up being the crucial difference that won the Battle of Britain in 1940.
As Chancellor of the Exchequer in October 1936 (he became PM in May 1937) Chamberlain told the Cabinet, "Air power was the most formidable deterrent to war that could be devised."
He then worked to greatly expand the Royal Air Force budget: from £16.78 million in 1933 to £105.702 million in 1939.
While Chamberlain may have been hopelessly naïve about Hitler initially, he also relied on anticipated casualty estimates prepared by the Committee of Imperial Defence that greatly over-estimated the potential civilian deaths from a German bombing campaign against Britain: 500,000 in the first three weeks of a war; 150,000 in the first week alone.
General Sir Edmund Ironside wrote in his diary in 1938: "We have not the means of defending ourselves and he [Chamberlain] knows it... [i]We cannot expose ourselves to a German attack. We simply commit suicide if we do.[/i]" (emphasis in the original).
In September 1938, one year before the invasion of Poland, General Sir Hastings Ismay of the CID told the Cabinet that time was on Britain's side.
"From the military point of view, time is in our favour...if war with Germany has to come, it would be better to fight her in say 6–12 months' time than to accept the present challenge."
So, please. Chamberlain has already been maligned enough for his part in history. No need to tarnish his reputation further by comparing his actions to Obama's bumbling, incompetent, ignorant lack of leadership.
ladycae · 100+, F
At rareone please try to get your facts straight.:
(CNN)The father of the Orlando gunman attended a Hillary Clinton rally in Florida Monday to show his support for the Democratic candidate.
"Hillary Clinton is good for the United States versus Donald Trump, who has no solutions," Seddique Mateen told WPTV. He could clearly be seen standing behind Clinton as she addressed the audience.
His son, Omar, killed 49 people at the Pulse nightclub, a gay club in Orlando, in June in the worst incident of domestic terrorism since 9/11.
Seddique Mateen, who said he was a Democrat, showed WPTV a sign he had made in support of Clinton, highlighting that he believes she is good for national security and citing gun control laws. Mateen told the reporter that he wants the U.S. to be a safer place.
A Clinton aide said: "The rally was a 3,000-person, open-door event for the public. This individual wasn't invited as a guest and the campaign was unaware of his attendance until after the event."
Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill later issued a statement saying, "Hillary Clinton disagrees with his views and disavows his support."
(CNN)The father of the Orlando gunman attended a Hillary Clinton rally in Florida Monday to show his support for the Democratic candidate.
"Hillary Clinton is good for the United States versus Donald Trump, who has no solutions," Seddique Mateen told WPTV. He could clearly be seen standing behind Clinton as she addressed the audience.
His son, Omar, killed 49 people at the Pulse nightclub, a gay club in Orlando, in June in the worst incident of domestic terrorism since 9/11.
Seddique Mateen, who said he was a Democrat, showed WPTV a sign he had made in support of Clinton, highlighting that he believes she is good for national security and citing gun control laws. Mateen told the reporter that he wants the U.S. to be a safer place.
A Clinton aide said: "The rally was a 3,000-person, open-door event for the public. This individual wasn't invited as a guest and the campaign was unaware of his attendance until after the event."
Clinton spokesman Nick Merrill later issued a statement saying, "Hillary Clinton disagrees with his views and disavows his support."
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Rutterman · 46-50, M
@Cierzo – I know why Putin is still in power. The reason why I mentioned it is because you brought Yanukovych, who is no longer in power, into the discussion. My guess is that most Ukrainians are far more concerned about Putin and the threat he poses than a disgraced former president who would probably be thrown in prison if he returned to the country
carpediem · 61-69, M
@Oconnor You are flawed for being so childishly naive. Clinton was secretary of state. What do you think her job was other than sell influence to the highest bidder? Under her guidance, the relationship with Russia that she said was so terrible, had dramatically deteriorated. They're standing in the world has increased as the foreign policy of Clinton and Obama has been proven to be a complete failure.
Now, the Russians are positioned with tens of thousands of troops outside Ukraine. We'll see what happens. She was a terrible SOS. And would be an even worst president (God help us).
Now, the Russians are positioned with tens of thousands of troops outside Ukraine. We'll see what happens. She was a terrible SOS. And would be an even worst president (God help us).
carpediem · 61-69, M
@Becky Maybe you didn't know it, but I'm not a presidential candidate. Nor am I the current president of the US with intelligence reports at my disposal at the 19th hole.
I have a few ideas though. Maybe a red reset button should be employed. Either that, or give them a red line. That always seems to work well.
I have a few ideas though. Maybe a red reset button should be employed. Either that, or give them a red line. That always seems to work well.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@Oconnor I agree. Relations were delicate before Obama took office. But his amazing weakness, and the naivety of HRC with the silly red reset button certainly served to convince Putin he can whatever he wants. Crimea ring a bell? And I don't think he's anywhere near done. Hope I'm wrong.
You lecture me on foreign policy. You talk about being a "bully". But I strongly believe history will expose Mr. Obama as the worst foreign policy president in our country's history. First with the unilateral removal of the missile shield a month after he took office with virtually nothing in return. Then with the failure to secure a status agreement in Iraq. All the way through from one bungled mess (Arab spring, Syria, Libya, and more) after another to the Iran nuke deal. Finesse of a surgeon you say? More like Neville Chamberlain.
You lecture me on foreign policy. You talk about being a "bully". But I strongly believe history will expose Mr. Obama as the worst foreign policy president in our country's history. First with the unilateral removal of the missile shield a month after he took office with virtually nothing in return. Then with the failure to secure a status agreement in Iraq. All the way through from one bungled mess (Arab spring, Syria, Libya, and more) after another to the Iran nuke deal. Finesse of a surgeon you say? More like Neville Chamberlain.
beckyromero · 36-40, F
[quote]@carpediem
Maybe you didn't know it, but I'm not a presidential candidate. Nor am I the current president of the US with intelligence reports at my disposal at the 19th hole.
I have a few ideas though. Maybe a red reset button should be employed. Either that, or give them a red line. That always seems to work well.[/quote]
You weren't a presidential candidate, either, when you criticized Hillary Clinton in your earlier post about U.S. foreign policy with Russia.
You implied that it was the failure of U.S. policy that somehow "allowed" the Russians to mass troops on the Ukrainian border.
I am by no means defending Obama's policies. I simply asked what you would do to deal with the situation.
If you can't come up with an alternative to the policy you criticized using as an excuse the silly notion that only U.S. presidential candidates can form opinions on the issue, then why should anyone believe your initial criticism is warranted?
Maybe you didn't know it, but I'm not a presidential candidate. Nor am I the current president of the US with intelligence reports at my disposal at the 19th hole.
I have a few ideas though. Maybe a red reset button should be employed. Either that, or give them a red line. That always seems to work well.[/quote]
You weren't a presidential candidate, either, when you criticized Hillary Clinton in your earlier post about U.S. foreign policy with Russia.
You implied that it was the failure of U.S. policy that somehow "allowed" the Russians to mass troops on the Ukrainian border.
I am by no means defending Obama's policies. I simply asked what you would do to deal with the situation.
If you can't come up with an alternative to the policy you criticized using as an excuse the silly notion that only U.S. presidential candidates can form opinions on the issue, then why should anyone believe your initial criticism is warranted?
Cierzo · M
beckyromero · 36-40, F
Gerrywell · 56-60, M
Hi All
I am not an American but thought I might throw in my opinion.
I, as a European, am worried about alowing Putin free rein. He is not a reliable partner for the US. I am worried that he will too easily manipulate Trump who apears weak by comparison.
I am also worried that the relationship with Putin will leave Europe in the cold, destabilise the UN and heighten tensions with China.
I agree with closer relations with Russia but just not with Putin at the helm.
The faith in Trump to deliver I find difficult to fathom. He appears unfocused and ill prepared. It's he really capable? ?
Blaming Obama for Isis seems inapprpriate. Why not Bush?? Surely this is misguided criticism?
I am not an American but thought I might throw in my opinion.
I, as a European, am worried about alowing Putin free rein. He is not a reliable partner for the US. I am worried that he will too easily manipulate Trump who apears weak by comparison.
I am also worried that the relationship with Putin will leave Europe in the cold, destabilise the UN and heighten tensions with China.
I agree with closer relations with Russia but just not with Putin at the helm.
The faith in Trump to deliver I find difficult to fathom. He appears unfocused and ill prepared. It's he really capable? ?
Blaming Obama for Isis seems inapprpriate. Why not Bush?? Surely this is misguided criticism?
beckyromero · 36-40, F
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PsychoMantis · 31-35, M
carpediem · 61-69, M
@Oconnor Indeed, Iraq does ring a bell. When Bush left it was at least stable. Obama bolted without a status agreement against all the advice of his military experts and today, we have ISIS. Yes, the bell is ringing loud and clear. Thanks for pointing this out.
SW-User
The comparison was that it was a country invaded by another with interests of power and greed, a country invaded on "trumped" up intelligence.
The bell may be clear, but you have to be able to hear it.
The bell may be clear, but you have to be able to hear it.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@Oconnor Oh I understood what you were saying. The end result for the entire middle east after Obama, is ISIS in Iraq after it was secured when he came into office, Afghanistan still a mess in a downward spiral, Libya a growing ISIS stronghold, Turkey now turning Islamic Republic, Syria a disaster after the red lines, Israel no longer confident in the US as an ally, Saudi Arabia wanting nuclear weapons now that Iran has a clear path, and of course Iran having that path and bundle of $$ to support terror in the region.
Yeah, I got it. The bells are still ringing. Again, thanks so much for pointing all this out.
Yeah, I got it. The bells are still ringing. Again, thanks so much for pointing all this out.
SW-User
We can blame Obama for ISIS, but we have to blame the US government for 100 years of deposing funding, organizing, training and supporting coups, deposing leaders and leaving power vacuums in their wake. Even when we've successfully installed leaders of our own branding, revolution is nearly always the result. So you can blame the man at the helm or you can understand a complex geoglobal and anthropological situation for what it is which, if anything, is repetitive.
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carpediem · 61-69, M
@Becky Chamberlain appeased Hitler. Hitler saw his weakness and the rest is history. You can copy and paste the story of his life, his shoe size, and his sexual preferences for all I care. But I do agree, even Chamberlain with his poor judgement looks good compared to the incompetent "leadership" of the Obama administration.
carpediem · 61-69, M
Really, all he needs is a reset button and the world's problems solve themselves. Oh... wait... Hillary already tried that and ooops.. it didn't work.
smiler2012 · 56-60
ladycae would be good if there was trust and understanding between them but personally I would trust neither of them
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Cierzo · M
@Rutterman. You pointed out the problem is that Putin is still in power. He is because he was voted
Rutterman · 46-50, M
@Cierzo – I’m not sure I follow you. How is what the Russians voted for relevant to what Ukrainians think?
Cierzo · M
@Rutterman, we should ask them too if they are better off now than they were with Yanukovich.
Xuan12 · 31-35, M
Unsurprised. Trumps got money, but any true mettle still astounds him.
Cierzo · M
@Beckyromero. You are suggesting that Russian elections were rigged? Evidence?
SW-User
@carpediem: "Crimea ring a bell?"
Iraq ring a bell?
Iraq ring a bell?
Cierzo · M
@Rutterman. That's what the Russians voted in 2012.
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Goralski · 51-55, M
At least putin ain't going along with d nwo
Strictgram · 70-79, C
Trust but verify!
bearinthebigbluehouse · 26-30, M
Awesome. ʕ·ᴥ· ʔ