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carpediem · 61-69, M
@Oconnor Indeed, Iraq does ring a bell. When Bush left it was at least stable. Obama bolted without a status agreement against all the advice of his military experts and today, we have ISIS. Yes, the bell is ringing loud and clear. Thanks for pointing this out.

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The comparison was that it was a country invaded by another with interests of power and greed, a country invaded on "trumped" up intelligence.
The bell may be clear, but you have to be able to hear it.
The bell may be clear, but you have to be able to hear it.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@Oconnor Oh I understood what you were saying. The end result for the entire middle east after Obama, is ISIS in Iraq after it was secured when he came into office, Afghanistan still a mess in a downward spiral, Libya a growing ISIS stronghold, Turkey now turning Islamic Republic, Syria a disaster after the red lines, Israel no longer confident in the US as an ally, Saudi Arabia wanting nuclear weapons now that Iran has a clear path, and of course Iran having that path and bundle of $$ to support terror in the region.
Yeah, I got it. The bells are still ringing. Again, thanks so much for pointing all this out.
Yeah, I got it. The bells are still ringing. Again, thanks so much for pointing all this out.

SW-User
We can blame Obama for ISIS, but we have to blame the US government for 100 years of deposing funding, organizing, training and supporting coups, deposing leaders and leaving power vacuums in their wake. Even when we've successfully installed leaders of our own branding, revolution is nearly always the result. So you can blame the man at the helm or you can understand a complex geoglobal and anthropological situation for what it is which, if anything, is repetitive.