Which is more important to you, having guns or the lives of your children?
Gun related death is third leading cause of death for children after car accidents.
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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
I think the false dichotomy is on your part based on your false rationale. The fact is that the society as a whole lacks the discipline to keep people alive. Instead of simple rules that keep the bad boys and girls out of circulation. Instead of trying to 'understand' (excuse) their bad behavior society needs to understand that not all thought is rational and not all actions are based on goodness. The Broward shooter was known to be a threat and blaming his actions on guns shows just how clueless some people truly are. The Boston bombers used pressure cookers shall we ban them too? The Oklahoma bomber used a Ryder truck shall we ban those too? It is not the tool that is to blame it is the 'understanding and accepting' attitude that allows nutbars to be nuts and kill people.
@hippyjoe1955
Ar 15s keep getting used in school shootings. Why is it more important that you be allowed to own that gun than it is to make it harder these psychos to use that as a murder weapon?
Go on. See if you can answer that without trying to change the subject.Let's hear it.
Ar 15s keep getting used in school shootings. Why is it more important that you be allowed to own that gun than it is to make it harder these psychos to use that as a murder weapon?
Go on. See if you can answer that without trying to change the subject.Let's hear it.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu Weapon of choice. Banning them will do nothing to prevent mass killings. Going to high school we all drove pickups and had rifles in racks in the back window. The ammo was kept in plain sight on the seat. NO ONE was shot or injured because the loose nuts had been weeded out a long time ago. The teachers and students and the school board worked together to keep the school safe by sending the mentally ill to hospital and the criminally inclined to jail.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 The overall murder rate was far higher in your time, so you don't need to sell a story about how things were so rosy back in your day and you guys were so innocent.
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The '70-'80s period was outright barbarous. You guys were murdering at twice the rate.
The '70-'80s period was outright barbarous. You guys were murdering at twice the rate.
@hippyjoe1955
[quote] Banning them will do nothing to prevent mass killings[/quote]
lol it's cool that you're clairvoyant. Must be nice.
The fact is that you don't have a good argument for why those guns shouldn't be banned. You just can't make an argument why it's a bad idea to take that option away.
"Oh well bad in the olden days blag blah blah" as if that explains why it's more important that people be allowed to own these guns than it is to keep them out of the hands of school shooters.
Strike two, joe🙂
[quote] Banning them will do nothing to prevent mass killings[/quote]
lol it's cool that you're clairvoyant. Must be nice.
The fact is that you don't have a good argument for why those guns shouldn't be banned. You just can't make an argument why it's a bad idea to take that option away.
"Oh well bad in the olden days blag blah blah" as if that explains why it's more important that people be allowed to own these guns than it is to keep them out of the hands of school shooters.
Strike two, joe🙂
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul Not where I lived. The last murder I heard about was on related to me by my parents. It had happened when I was about 2. Recently there have been several shootings and murders in the area where I grew up and this is in Canada where guns are highly regulated. The difference? The social idea that killing gets you what you want.
fazer1k · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955 It makes no sense to compare items that have a practical use to the general public, with guns which were designed purely to kill.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu OH but I do have a good reason. You are simply oblivious to it since you are operating under the illusion that banning guns will somehow prevent killings. It won't.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 We're really not talking about Canada here, if that's not clear from context.
Perfect safety is not possible - some murders will always happen. The general goal is to drive the numbers down.
Perfect safety is not possible - some murders will always happen. The general goal is to drive the numbers down.
fazer1k · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955 Statistics from countries that have banned guns prove the opposite.
@hippyjoe1955
[quote] since you are operating under the illusion that banning guns will somehow prevent killings[quote][/quote][/quote]
lol SO not the point i was making joe. Sorry about your reading comprehension.
Strike three. [i]Buh[/i] bye😉
[quote] since you are operating under the illusion that banning guns will somehow prevent killings[quote][/quote][/quote]
lol SO not the point i was making joe. Sorry about your reading comprehension.
Strike three. [i]Buh[/i] bye😉
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@fazer1k Guns have a very specific job and they do it very well. I was talking to my sister who said that when she worked in the bank they kept a loaded pistol in an office. I was recently in a bank and they put a loaded shotgun that they kept out of sight into the vault for safe keeping. I don't know if you noticed it but the cops all carry guns. The army has lots of guns. in a wilderness area guns are everywhere and in many places you are not allowed outside the fence without a gun. Polar bears are a killing machine with no remorse. A sturdy .308 is mandatory.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 Nobody anywhere is proposing to take guns away from people who either use it as part of their job, or are at risk from dangerous predators. Even in the countries with the strictest of gun control. Why even bring this up?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@Pikachu That is exactly the point. Banning guns will not prevent gun crime or killing. I live in an area where hand guns are pretty much banned. There was a shooting across the back alley from me a few months ago. It seems that a couple of gang bangers were shooting at each other as they drove down the street. One of them was hit in the neck.
fazer1k · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955 The general public don't need guns - no one is suggesting the military shouldn't have them. Regular police officers don't need guns in gun-free societies either.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@hippyjoe1955 Uh yes they are. Hello anybody home? The lights are on but no one is answering the door.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@fazer1k Says who? What gives you the right to determine what I want or need? May I suggest that you go to hell if you think you are smart enough to determine what anyone else needs.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955 No they aren't. There are always exceptions just for that purpose - even in ban-happy Australia. This is completely orthogonal to what anyone is talking about.
If you're hunting feral hogs, having an AR-15 is a damn good idea.
If you're hunting feral hogs, having an AR-15 is a damn good idea.
fazer1k · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955 What gives you the right to determine you should have guns when they are clearly detrimental to society and cost other people lives. May I suggest you will be the one who goes to hell if you think keeping guns in society is more important than children's lives!
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@QuixoticSoul The AR 15 is a handy tool and like all tools can become dangerous if handled in an improper manner. There have been more people killed with knives than killed with guns.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@fazer1k The fact is sir that in a free society you are assumed innocent until proven guilty. You want to reverse that. Go to hell.
fazer1k · 56-60, M
@hippyjoe1955 Take your own advice.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
@hippyjoe1955
[quote]There have been more people killed with knives than killed with guns.[/quote]
In all of history, probably. These days in the US - no. Tbh I'm almost surprised as knives are so common and easily accessible.
[quote]According to FBI data for 2016, 11,004 of the 15,070 murders in the United States were committed with firearms. Handguns were the most common type of firearm used in 7,105 cases. In 3,263 cases, the type of gun was not reported to the FBI or was listed as “other” while in 903 instances, the weapon was not identified or was listed as “other."[/quote]
[quote]There have been more people killed with knives than killed with guns.[/quote]
In all of history, probably. These days in the US - no. Tbh I'm almost surprised as knives are so common and easily accessible.
[quote]According to FBI data for 2016, 11,004 of the 15,070 murders in the United States were committed with firearms. Handguns were the most common type of firearm used in 7,105 cases. In 3,263 cases, the type of gun was not reported to the FBI or was listed as “other” while in 903 instances, the weapon was not identified or was listed as “other."[/quote]