Should gun manufacturers be allowed to be sued when someone is killed with their product?

@SW-User Wrong!

@MarkPaul your words mean nothing without explanation you can’t say “yes” and “wrong” and expect to be taken serious

@SW-User I guess I thought the details were obvious.

Gun manufacturers should be held accountable for the havoc their products can cause. Just like a tobacco company is accountable for the death it causes, gun manufacturers need to own their responsibility.

@MarkPaul well you’ve proved you can put an idea together that’s a start. Now back to self accountability if I drink and drive and kill someone am I at fault or is it dodge for making the car? If some dipshit shoots someone that guy is guilty and should be put to death

@SW-User Thanks for your ringing endorsement of my skills, professor. If you drink and drive you are responsible BUT... B U T... if Dodge makes a product (i.e., the car) that is faulty or designed for entice dipshits to take away the (living) rights of others, then yeah they are accountable. That's what happened to tobacco companies, in case you don't know. As for putting the dipshit to death... he deserves a trial first to ensure he wasn't involved in a case of self-defense.

@MarkPaul the car manufacturer woulld only be liable if they put a defective product out there.
Please. You should know this. Tobacco conpanies knew their products were dangerous and for years took legal steps to keep warnings off of the packages and lied about the dangers of their product, and targeted young people with their ads. Very, very different thing

@Atrevido1 Your clarification makes sense to a point, but... like the tobacco companies who knew their products were dangerous, you cannot reasonably argue gun manufacturers and through their trade association, the NRA, doesn't know the same. Instead, they use the NRA as a deceptive enthusiast users club to promote the reckless use of the product with the sole intent of selling more product. They further use the NRA to lobby for the blocking of "sensible gun control," and they use the NRA to falsely accuse anyone who objects as trying to eliminate the 2nd Amendment. The gun manufacturers are every bit complicit as the tobacco companies and the NRA is every bit as scum-like for knowingly deceiving the public... just like their tobacco company mentors.

@MarkPaul the blunder of your disputation is Dodge isn’t financial culpable for my action. because of laws put in place to protect them it’s against the law to drive drunk this implies anyone buying a car is in agreement to not drink and drive it’s illegal to murder someone meaning anyone who buys a gun is agreeing to not murder. If this dialectic of ours is going to continue you need to understand that tobacco companies were sued for not warning consumers of the dangers of smoking

@SW-User You make it sound like the way things are (the status quo) is a sacred cow that cannot be changed. That's not true... have you seen any protest marches "lately" (like today)? Second... the NRA (the deceptive trade association of the gun manufacturers) does not provide any warnings on the dangers of their products. As a deceptive trade association, they are only interested in selling more product for their clients (the gun manufacturers). I would say that is the basis on which we will start holding them and their clients accountable for something that, up until now, they have been getting away with, i.e., bloody murder.

@MarkPaul you have to take gun safety classes to purchase a gun and if you’ve ever looked at a gun box there are warning labels on it. Now I understand your issue it isn’t gun it’s the NRA. Most members on that group are hunters and military vets I’m not going to get into demographics and statistics but if you study them you’ll find most murders do not fit that category

@MarkPaul But like vehicles and tobacco. The human factor causes the deaths. Whether it's from choosing to use tobacco, driving and texting, or pulling the trigger. The gun is not killing, the human is killing. The NRA is not pulling the trigger, the human is pulling the trigger.
Guns don't fly off the shelves and start killing. The choice is made by the human.

@Atrevido1 You're haste in defending the sanctity of guns is causing you to miss the point. No one is arguing to let the shooter off the hook and to declare them an innocent bystander. By the same token, the gun manufacturers, their trade and lobby association, and gun enthusiasts need to accept their accomplice role in this toxic, but lawful, hobby. Cozy up and sleep with your guns all you want; you have a constitutional right to do so. But, accept responsibility by taking accountability. And, for goodness sakes, recognize there is a problem so we can join together to resolve it without reciting the NRA marketing mantra that suggests more guns in the hands of more people is a solution.

@MarkPaul also if you look at my original statement you called wrong I said this country is too sue happy and self accountability needs to make a comeback we haven’t argued that point yet why is that statement wrong is this country not sue happy? Is self accountability a bad thing are humans not responsible for our actions?

@SW-User That's not good enough. It wasn't good enough to keep the tobacco companies free and clear, and it obviously (or should be obvious) it's not good enough for the gun industrial complex. Instead of being so over-protective of the gun lobby, consider the human cost of their marketing efforts.

@MarkPaul when you find a marketing advert for killing humans I’ll accept it’s the NRA’s fault. When you replied to @atrevido1 you said more guns are not a solution do you suggest less guns? What if we ban the sell of guns in inner cities and metropolitan areas because that’s where most of the murders take place. Or what if we ban guns all together? If you study the history of this country you’ll find that this country was built on smuggling and This is the greatest smuggling country in the world it always has been prohibition will never work on anything

@SW-User My argument and the reason my assessment of your comment still stands is that self-accountability should extend to the gun manufacturers themselves. Yes, the individual is responsible for his/her actions. But, the gun manufacturers have a responsibility as well for churning out weapons of mass destruction designed to kill people fast and easy for the express purpose of making a profit. What is it that can't understand?

@MarkPaulYour haste in saying I am defending the sanctity of guns is cauaing you to mis soeak. I am a victim of gun violence. I was murdered but got kicked out of death. I have been in pain for the past 24 years. I was shot by an illegal alien(today he would be a dreamer) who obtained his weapon illegally on the street.
Wasn't the gun's.
My initial point, and perhaps you didn't see it, was that kind of a lawsuit would set a precedence. Every manufacturer of any product would liable any time their product was miss used abd someone was hurt. Kitchen knives would disappear.
I never said anyone was letting shooters off the hook. You misspoke there as well. Total blame should do to the killer not to the inanimate object they used

@SW-User I'm not talking about prohibition, professor. Why are you JUMPING to that conclusion? I believe in 2nd Amendment rights. Why are you so opposed to gun control regulations... just like the type of regulations that govern your precious Dodge vehicle... the same ones that regulate water, air, and workplace safety. Stop acting like this is the early 1800's. Our GDP is no longer dependent on smuggling. Are you familiar with the 21st century at all?

@MarkPaul I understand what you are saying but it’s flawed. When the gun is produced it isn’t intended to be used as a weapon of mass destruction. It’s intended to be shot at targets, animals and intruders. 60 percent of gun deaths are suicide. Should we claim it’s the guns manufacturers fault someone killed themselves? This is just finger points as a result of not having a solution. I agree we have a gun problem but it’s more of an insanity issue that no one wants to talk about

@Atrevido1 First of all dude, if you were murdered you wouldn't be alive. But, let's let that go. You can take anything to an extreme... knives are not going to be outlawed. The 2nd Amendment won't be repealed. But gun control laws will help prevent the next shooting... which based on statistics is already being planned by the next POS who feels empowered because he has fast and easy access to a high powered weapon designed for war. Stop defending the indefensible. And, welcome back to life; I'm glad you are here!

@MarkPaul go to a gun shop and try to buy a gun we do have regulations. As for the GDP that’s not longer the case you are correct but people wil always smuggle what’s in demand

@SW-User Dude... for some unknown and unclarified reason, you are making assumptions designed to protect gun manufacturers. To think they have no self-interest and no awareness how their products are being used suggests they are either insane themselves or complete morons. A mass destruction weapon is made for war and until they can convince to countries to go to war, they need to sell product any other way they can. This wholesome idea that they are churning out those weapons for harmless target practice to help hunters extinguish elephants, lions, and other animals who are nearly extinct is a fairy tale you have chosen to buy into. But, it's not reality.

@MarkPaul you just contradicted yourself. You said anything can be taken to the extreme and then said making it harder to obtain weapons will make the next mass killing less likely. Did you know in China they had a mass stabbing with more casualties than any mas shooting in American history at the time of the attack

@SW-User Son... you should go to a gun show with your eyes open and see how easy it is to get a gun (under the table) in less than 10 minutes.

@SW-User Dude: your desire to do nothing... or to live like they did in the 1800's... or to follow the lifestyle of China is super-amazing. Let's solve the gun violence issue first. Then, we can move on to the kitchen knife stabbings that emulate your hero worship of the Chinese.