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Burnley123 · 41-45, M
I don't think Trump 'colluded'.
His son wanted to and Comey was probably fired as a dumb way of Trump protecting his businesses from being investigated. There is no public evidence of collusion and nobody should trust the CIA. What would Russia even gain by working with Trump during the election, unless it was an attempt to implicate him?
As of the Russian bots thing, well yeah. No shit.
Cyber warfare happens and everyone does it. Britain and the US do it, China do it, so do North Korea and Russia. This is obviously wrong and all sides but should surprise nobody. The only surprising thing here is that America got played instead of being the player.
His son wanted to and Comey was probably fired as a dumb way of Trump protecting his businesses from being investigated. There is no public evidence of collusion and nobody should trust the CIA. What would Russia even gain by working with Trump during the election, unless it was an attempt to implicate him?
As of the Russian bots thing, well yeah. No shit.
Cyber warfare happens and everyone does it. Britain and the US do it, China do it, so do North Korea and Russia. This is obviously wrong and all sides but should surprise nobody. The only surprising thing here is that America got played instead of being the player.
Northwest · M
@Burnley123 The indictments, included the following language:
As exposed by his son's email exchange, it's clear that Jr. and some others from the campaign, met with the Russian attorney, because she promised derogatory information about Hillary. His defense now is that the Russian duped them, and she did not have any information, is irrelevant. Their intent was clear.
Is the Russian dis-information campaign collusion? No, but his reaction to it, makes it accessory after the fact. Especially his attempts, since becoming President, to quash the investigation.
... engaged in operations primarily intended to communicate derogatory information about Hillary Clinton, to denigrate other candidates such as Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio, and to support Bernie Sanders and then-candidate Donald Trump
As exposed by his son's email exchange, it's clear that Jr. and some others from the campaign, met with the Russian attorney, because she promised derogatory information about Hillary. His defense now is that the Russian duped them, and she did not have any information, is irrelevant. Their intent was clear.
Is the Russian dis-information campaign collusion? No, but his reaction to it, makes it accessory after the fact. Especially his attempts, since becoming President, to quash the investigation.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Northwest My reading of this is that Trump Junior got played by the Russians. What he did was both stupid and with corrupt intent. Whether it fits the legal definition of collusion, I'm not sure.
According to Michael Wolff, none of Trump's team thinks he has worked with Putin but all of them think that he is worried about the dodgy family business dealings being investigated.
According to Michael Wolff, none of Trump's team thinks he has worked with Putin but all of them think that he is worried about the dodgy family business dealings being investigated.
Northwest · M
@Burnley123 I doubt Uday would have taken the initiative, without consulting with his father.
Trump does not think like a conventional person, and I'm not saying this as a compliment. He thinks like a bully, the CEO of a shady group of companies, that grow at the expense of others'. He ran his campaign that way, and he's running the country the same way.
I'm sure he does not think of it as collusion. To him, it's "being smart" and using every tool available to you, to win. During one of the debates, he turned into a joke (encouraging the Russians), but that exposed exactly the way he thinks.
This is un-American. I hope voters wake up to that fact.
His family business dealings, may lead to Russian oligarchs and expose how bad of a business person he is, and that's exactly what he fears.
Trump does not think like a conventional person, and I'm not saying this as a compliment. He thinks like a bully, the CEO of a shady group of companies, that grow at the expense of others'. He ran his campaign that way, and he's running the country the same way.
I'm sure he does not think of it as collusion. To him, it's "being smart" and using every tool available to you, to win. During one of the debates, he turned into a joke (encouraging the Russians), but that exposed exactly the way he thinks.
This is un-American. I hope voters wake up to that fact.
His family business dealings, may lead to Russian oligarchs and expose how bad of a business person he is, and that's exactly what he fears.
jackjjackson · 70-79, M
That pretty well sums it up @Burnley123