Should countries all over the world start indicting CIA agents for interfering elections?

If the President can get out of his own way and totally ignore the media he still has plenty of time to do this. @CopperCicada

@CopperCicada I could have written the two last lines word by word.

@jackjjackson I am skeptical. Our geopolitics is too intimately tied with globalist influence. It was all over for me when I saw Trump et al. doing the sword dance with the Saudi's.

@CopperCicada Trump ran on a platform that explicitly promised more interference. Obama began his first term, by fessing up to the bad stuff we did, and promising to do better. For the most part, we did.

@CopperCicada My dear friend, you couldn't 'see' the kind of man (and I use that term loosely concerning him) was from the last couple of decades?

@Northwest There is a backstory to my hope re Trump. I saw some of the early 2016 debates in a student bar in huge mid-western state university. My wife's alma mater.

For some random reason these African engineering students joined me and I saw the debates which had elements of isolationism through their eyes. Despite all the bullshit they were willing to support anyone-- anyone-- that would make US proxy wars end.

It sort of stuck with me. That hope.

@WalksWith ☝ There's a personal backstory to that. Totally naive yes. But hope can be stupid.

I didn't vote for him! Just some lingering hope.

@CopperCicada There was a single speech, his foreign policy speech, where I was left wondering: hey, who is this guy. I agree with what he's saying.

Not to worry though, the speech was not written by him, and it turns out he was lying about every single thing he said in that speech.

@CopperCicada Thank you. I bet feeling that hope with them was awe-inspiring!

@WalksWith It's really hard. One doesn't necessarily "feel" the extent and scope of globalism until one befriends people around the globe. And then you lose your mind.

@Northwest Yea. That was probably the same speech. Cool. The dude is down with stopping endless war. Awesome. Then, oh, nevermind.

You think so? I didn’t notice any reduction in foreign meddling. @Northwest

@CopperCicada I think it should be required to learn and involve yourself with other cultures. You would be amazed ( or maybe not?) at how many Americans don't even know the Original People of this country. I have never had the privilege of traveling off this continent (yet) but that's part of the beauty of the internet at least a person can read about other cultures.

Stopping the proxy wars at least of the surface seem better for everyone and having the moral high road. From my naive viewpoint sure seems like a waste of money. It’s not like there is a history of success at least from Vietnam to date? @CopperCicada

@jackjjackson
1. Syria: we cut off our involvement there, and stopped arming various groups.

2. Iraq: we pulled out, and stopped arming various groups and supporting vigilante justice.

3. We stopped the programs designed to effect regime change in Iran.

4. We stopped trying to muscle the Palestinians into accepting an unfair solution.

5. We stopped supporting repressive Arab regimes.

6. We were party to a global initiative, to remove sanctions against Iran and stopped interfering in their internal affairs.

7. We tried to entice N. Korea to stop its nuke program. This, of course, did not work, but it was never going to work. The only way to impose our will there, and I'm not sure we should, is to go to war with China. It's not going to happen. The sooner we understand this, the sooner we will be close to a relationship with N. Korea that will help improve the lives of N. Koreans.

8. We stopped trying to influence Russian politics.

9. We did not interfere in Venezuela

10. Afghanistan: our plan to repel the foreign fighters, trying to take over Afghanistan did not work well. Our humanitarian assistance program, is starting to show signs to success.

The only place, where we made a mistake, was Libya. We allowed the French to drag us into action, that was not fully thought through.

The common thread running through thst list is conundrum involvement. @Northwest

@jackjjackson It's our policies, and by that, I mean the 40th-43rd policies that created the conundrums.

We're back to the same place, even worse, with the 45th.

39 and 44 didn’t do anything DRAMATICALLY different. The government as an institution has been a huge difficult if not impossible to turn ship since post WW2. @Northwest

@WalksWith I agree. I am very fortunate to always have been exposed to a wide spectrum of people and views. When things happen, the first thing I do is usually seek out people as far from my background as possible and get their take.

No. I'm not surprised that people know very little about First Nations and Original People. Even in their own backyards. 2% of the population-- invisible. I guess I was lucky in that regard as well.