So what is this about Paul Manafort suing the Department of Justice? Is this legit?

@CountScrofula um collusion is a crime. he just has not been charged with it

@ladycae The collusion that Trump was accused of by corporate democrats is not a crime necessarily, and if it was, it would be irrelevant since his opponent did it too.

should mueller's investigation prove trump colluded with the russians, it will in deed be a crime regardless of if hillary did it. she's not president.

@ladycae The accusations for colluding with Russia were that Trump went to the Russians for negative information on Hillary Clinton. And that's not illegal. You CAN do that. She did it with the Ukrainians, and it was legal when she did it too. It would need to be treasonous collusion for Trump to be in serious trouble. Which is extremely unlikely. What's much more likely is financial corruption. After all, it's already confirmed fact that he's laundered absurd amounts of money for Panamanian drug cartels.

@BlueMetalChick that's not what the investigation is about. it is whether he was a partner in their election meddling, which is treasonous. if the investigation proves he did then that is a crime. you may be sure that will never be found but we won't know till the investigation is over.

@ladycae The extent of their "election meddling" was the Wiki Leaks release of Clinton's emails which should have been known already.

@ladycae Treason is a crime. Collusion is not. There is no collusion law outside of the context of antitrust. Trump is also very, very guilty of lying to the FBI.

Note I'm as anti-Trump as they come.

Here's what we know.

The Russians hacked the DNC. They then, through specific agents, made it known to the Trump campaign that they had embarrassing emails on Hillary Clinton. And Don Jr. was super excited about it.

Now there is a belief among some that Trump agreed to drop sanctions on Russia in exchange for the Russians leaking the emails. That may be criminal, but it's wobbly.

Lying to the FBI, firing Comey to get out of the investigation, and the potential that his entire family are money launderers are FAR easier charges to nail him on.

@BlueMetalChick so you are in on mueller's investigation? are you working on it? wow that is so impressive, but if you are how can you reveal private conclusions? hmm you could get fired for that.

@ladycae This isn't a secret, this is publicly known information. The democratic party had to use very specific rhetoric as to avoid incriminating themselves as well. They didn't want to pull an Andrew Cuomo special maneuver.

@BlueMetalChick the investigation is not over. let's wait to see what it finds before anyone else decides what in total it finds

@ladycae Of course the investigation is not over. They moved the goalposts, which was a wise decision because now they can hunt for some actual infractions Trump has committed, such as money laundering, which we all know he's guilty as a motherfucker of. He definitely did that with Russians. And Panamanians. And Ukrainians. And Americans.

@BlueMetalChick fben why have you already decided the outcome. and they didn't move the goal posts, the mandate was to go wherever the investigation led.

@ladycae Yes, moving the goalposts is part of that. That's how you follow the investigation. How else do you lead a successful and competent investigation unless you're open to new information?

@BlueMetalChick i think goal posts moving is semantics. but you didn't answer my question. if you admit and you do that the investigation is not over why are you declaring what the result will be?

@ladycae I didn't declare what the result would/will be, I declared that the supposed "Russian collusion" all stemmed out of the Wiki Leaks thing, which was in no way illegal. The investigation started off as bullshit but got serious once the focus changed. NOW it's absolutely legitimate.

[quote]such as money laundering, which we all know he's guilty as a motherfucker of. He definitely did that with Russians. And Panamanians. And Ukrainians. And Americans.[/quote]

i am by far not a trump lover but we don't have proof he did those things. the only proof we have is that he is a lying buffoon with little knowledge who can't read and spends his days golfing, watching fox and tweeting.

@ladycae Want proof? Look up the name "Alexandre Ventura Nogueira" and see what you get. He's a Panamanian who was involved in buying shitloads of units in one of Trump's hotel resorts in Central America to hide money that was earned selling various illegal substances.

i am familiar with noriega, what link proves he did hat you claim and that trump knew about it?

@ladycae Mostly the crew that Nogueira ran around with. He was involved with a bunch of sketchy Europeans, including a Russian who was arrested in Israel for kidnapping in the early 90's, and a Polak who was caught human trafficking in Kiev. Some of these guys are business partners with Trump, including involvement with as much as 50% of the sales of his hotel units for the money laundering.

@BlueMetalChick that's not proof. that's conjecture.

@ladycae Is it irrefutable proof? Probably not. Is it extremely strong evidence? Yeah.

it's not evidence either. it is conjecture on your part. it is all circumstantial. if a knw b and b knows c and c does something a must know. as much as i hate to be defending the man, you have no proof. if it was he would have been in jail a long time ago.

@ladycae Then I guess there can't be any evidence at all because if willingly allowing people who are selling drugs to buy your hotel units to launder their illegal money is not evidence of any kind, then what is?

don't twist what i said. you have no link that shows it even happened and no real knowledge if trump even knew about it if it did happen. sorry if you don't like it but your words just are not proof or evidence. if A knows B who Knows C then A must know what C may or maynot have done just is niether proof or evidence.

@ladycae If A, B, and C all know each other, and B and C are currently committing illegal activities, and investing the money they earn from those illegal activities into a business owned by A, then there's a strong chance A is aware of this. Especially if B and C are investing an abnormal amount of money into A's business.

Not to mention that Trump and his daughter Ivanka both blatantly lied about having ever met Nogueira. Alan Garten even made a public statement that nobody in the Trump organization including the Trump family had ever even heard of the guy. And then days later someone produced photographs of both Ivanka and Donald posing for pictures with Nogueira.