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Socialism does not work wherever you try it
In Israel the Kibutz movement they are like collectives traditionally were big farms although now some have given up on agricu.ture and are now making their money through industrialisation.
The people who lived on them were members they all had an equal say on the running of things, everybody worked for the same money no matter what their job etc.
The first generation which were around in Israels early years the kibbutz got its funding from the state. non of the members got paid a penny and they did not even own anything and everything from food to clothing was provided by the kibbutz.
Children even were considered to be property of the kibbutz and they were not raised by their family they lived in a kids area and they saw their parents at weekends
Next generation the kibbutz still got its funding from the state although families lived together now and people got paid a token salary because they were jealous of people in the real world earning money to buy nice things and they had nothing of their own.
Although they started getting a token salary everybody was equal nobody earned more than anybody else does not matter if they were working in a field or in a professional job same money.
Then the government stopped funding the kibbutz so they then had to become businesses and earn their own money to survive.
Anyway now though although all the members have a say on the running of things they today all earn a decent wage and that wage is equivalent to the job they do so no longer would somebody working in a field get paid the same as a skilled professional
Even these socialist havens in the end had to resort to capitalism to survive and I think they got fairer because was it right that taxpayers funded them and was it right that somebody with a university degree doing a specialist job get the same money as somebody unskilled who worked in the field.
Capitalism has lots of problems and is not perfect but in general it has created a fairer society because it has given people the opportunity to improve their lives.
In Israel the Kibutz movement they are like collectives traditionally were big farms although now some have given up on agricu.ture and are now making their money through industrialisation.
The people who lived on them were members they all had an equal say on the running of things, everybody worked for the same money no matter what their job etc.
The first generation which were around in Israels early years the kibbutz got its funding from the state. non of the members got paid a penny and they did not even own anything and everything from food to clothing was provided by the kibbutz.
Children even were considered to be property of the kibbutz and they were not raised by their family they lived in a kids area and they saw their parents at weekends
Next generation the kibbutz still got its funding from the state although families lived together now and people got paid a token salary because they were jealous of people in the real world earning money to buy nice things and they had nothing of their own.
Although they started getting a token salary everybody was equal nobody earned more than anybody else does not matter if they were working in a field or in a professional job same money.
Then the government stopped funding the kibbutz so they then had to become businesses and earn their own money to survive.
Anyway now though although all the members have a say on the running of things they today all earn a decent wage and that wage is equivalent to the job they do so no longer would somebody working in a field get paid the same as a skilled professional
Even these socialist havens in the end had to resort to capitalism to survive and I think they got fairer because was it right that taxpayers funded them and was it right that somebody with a university degree doing a specialist job get the same money as somebody unskilled who worked in the field.
Capitalism has lots of problems and is not perfect but in general it has created a fairer society because it has given people the opportunity to improve their lives.