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UkBull · 41-45, M
@SW-User Well actually, it makes plenty of sense "dude". Can you differentiate between Islam and Islamism? Because that's your answer. Islamism didn't exist 1500 years ago, it's a relatively modern phenomenon. Terrorism, driven and motivated by Islam exists, open your eyes.
SW-User
@UkBull Is Islamism a part of Islam? .-.
I need to know that before I can answer
I need to know that before I can answer
UkBull · 41-45, M
It's an ideology drawn from the religion, based on it's rules etc.
SW-User
[quote]Islamism didn't exist 1500 years ago[/quote]
There is my point. These ideologies can be drawn from a place and then twisted :v
Just like me taking from the constitution of the United States and twisting what it says up!
All you should focus on is that it's a NEW thing and it's made by people NOT following the religion :/
If they DID follow it, then would they be cherry picking? XD
There is my point. These ideologies can be drawn from a place and then twisted :v
Just like me taking from the constitution of the United States and twisting what it says up!
All you should focus on is that it's a NEW thing and it's made by people NOT following the religion :/
If they DID follow it, then would they be cherry picking? XD
UkBull · 41-45, M
@SW-User My point is that you seemed to suggest Islamic terrorism doesn't exist, that's blatantly incorrect if you were inferring that.
You can dress it up however you like, motivation is key and religion is the driver. That's the overriding point here. Besides which, who are you or I to tell a person how to interpret their religion? For example you use the word "twisted" because it doesn't meet your own belief on how a particular narrative should be interpreted.
You can dress it up however you like, motivation is key and religion is the driver. That's the overriding point here. Besides which, who are you or I to tell a person how to interpret their religion? For example you use the word "twisted" because it doesn't meet your own belief on how a particular narrative should be interpreted.
SW-User
@UkBull Dude, we can go about semantics forever >_>
@SW-User just told you exactly what my point is.
Just hear me out v_v
Twisted is not my belief. Twisted is altering the DIRECT MEANING of the original object or concept or words. When you say:
[quote]Islamism didn't exist 1500 years ago, it's a relatively modern phenomenon[/quote]
that LITERALLY is my point :v
It's SEPARATE from Islam because it's NEW. It's NOT Islam. You can just take whatever you want as a base, but you can't blame Islam because it's not the cause. Blame whatever the NEW thing is
@SW-User Thanks yo :v
@SW-User just told you exactly what my point is.
Just hear me out v_v
Twisted is not my belief. Twisted is altering the DIRECT MEANING of the original object or concept or words. When you say:
[quote]Islamism didn't exist 1500 years ago, it's a relatively modern phenomenon[/quote]
that LITERALLY is my point :v
It's SEPARATE from Islam because it's NEW. It's NOT Islam. You can just take whatever you want as a base, but you can't blame Islam because it's not the cause. Blame whatever the NEW thing is
@SW-User Thanks yo :v
UkBull · 41-45, M
@SW-User Lol don't blame semantics for a very specific statement. I understood clearly what you meant.
I don't mean to be rude but I don't think you really understand half of the things you're saying. For instance, you say Islamism is separate to Islam. How on earth can it be? Islamism is just an advocacy for Islamic law as laid down in various Islamic scriptures. Also if you've read any of the Quran, you'll know there are passages which even Islamic scholars can't agree the meaning of, so to suggest things become twisted (if it's something we don't like) is a slightly arrogant view to take. In fact, most fundamentalists take a very literal interpretation of the texts.
I understand the point you're making about it not being "inherent" and that's fair enough, I just think you're saying the wrong things in making the point.
I don't mean to be rude but I don't think you really understand half of the things you're saying. For instance, you say Islamism is separate to Islam. How on earth can it be? Islamism is just an advocacy for Islamic law as laid down in various Islamic scriptures. Also if you've read any of the Quran, you'll know there are passages which even Islamic scholars can't agree the meaning of, so to suggest things become twisted (if it's something we don't like) is a slightly arrogant view to take. In fact, most fundamentalists take a very literal interpretation of the texts.
I understand the point you're making about it not being "inherent" and that's fair enough, I just think you're saying the wrong things in making the point.
SW-User
@UkBull okay, I completely understand you :)
I'll leave it to this because I have better things to do for now. I said what I could. I don't feel like dragging this cirle out farther
And uh >__>
When you say [quote]I just think you're saying the wrong things in making the point[/quote] thats what I meant by semantics....
I'll leave it to this because I have better things to do for now. I said what I could. I don't feel like dragging this cirle out farther
And uh >__>
When you say [quote]I just think you're saying the wrong things in making the point[/quote] thats what I meant by semantics....
UkBull · 41-45, M
"I'm not talking shit, it's just semantics"... Haha, you're an idiot!