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Xuan12 · 31-35, M
Rand, or her followers at least, have marketed her very well. Sadly once you read one of her books, the substance falls out pretty fast in my opinion. She has a tendency to take some basic ideas, which are decent on the face of it, and extend them to irrational extremes. She seems to be into the idea of Übermenschen (super humans), except instead of being super because they're smart, they're super because they have piles of money. To her money in itself is a virtue, one that should neither be stolen nor given away at any time, but despite that her characters, even the heroes, will often steal and give away money in any case. They also tend to be pretty rapey, but evidently she believed that all sex is rape, so I guess she couldn't really write it any other way. In fact, she frowns on altruism of any kind, preferring what she calls rational-selfishness. But it doesn't seem to really work. I remember at one point reading her struggle to explain why it's okay to have and take care of kids if rational-selfishness is so important. She almost implies that you ought to bill your kids for the cost of care plus profit, but seems to just drop the subject before really getting anywhere with it, ultimately relegating spouses and kids to being some kind of necessary evil.
Basically, on the surface her philosophy can seem attractive, but once you get into it in depth it ends up making a lot less sense. I'd say it might be worth looking into just for knowing what she said, since so many people are enamored with it, but at the end of the day it's too looney to actually abide by.
Basically, on the surface her philosophy can seem attractive, but once you get into it in depth it ends up making a lot less sense. I'd say it might be worth looking into just for knowing what she said, since so many people are enamored with it, but at the end of the day it's too looney to actually abide by.
Atlas Shrugged is a long read but well worth it.
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@quietlitany read The Fountainhead too, ties in with the quote.
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@BaldAndBold Thank you :)
@BaldAndBold okay 🙂
I agree with that quote, unfortunately.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
It's a crap quote imo. It assumes that there is no such thing as society, no collective action and no systemic racism.
Also that the key form of dominance is is by the state over individuals and hat power does not exist in any other way. Libertarians are naive or disengenuos.
Also that the key form of dominance is is by the state over individuals and hat power does not exist in any other way. Libertarians are naive or disengenuos.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@fancyboy Its to pre-empted a predictable (and wrong) criticism from the political right.
fancyboy · 61-69, M
@Burnley123 So, you don't really believe it?
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@fancyboy ??????
Lol. Yes I do and I gave reasons why. Respond to my arguments please, not what you expect my arguments to be. Its there above on the text.
Lol. Yes I do and I gave reasons why. Respond to my arguments please, not what you expect my arguments to be. Its there above on the text.
katielass · F
I received that book as a gift some years back but it's thick and I have not yet read it.
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@katielass Lead the way! I'll be picking it up very soon
katielass · F
@quietlitany The friend who gifted it to me said she grew up under communism and tells how it was and naturally appreciates what we have, or had, here. I don't understand why anyone would want something else. Nothing is perfect but we've got the best there is, ever has been or ever will be. I worry about future generations. I think the majority will be brainwashed and want to be led around by the nose and if it was just them I wouldn't care but there will be people, a minority, who will not want that but they will not have a choice.
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@katielass Wow, yes people like your friend are usually proponents of liberty. My hope is the pendulum will swing back. Communism is kind of new on the time scale of human history. The asshole who came up with the killing fields in Cambodia had a PhD from a French college in the 60's. This stuff is recent so to speak. We have enough knowledge to know better. That's my hope.
SW-User
It's so tiny that it doesn't even exist, there are no individuals anymore, just a bunch of people who claim they are.. their mark is that they all dress alike and think they're so different.
SW-User
@fancyboy lol what movement? Maybe try to discuss my actual arguments, you know.. ideas vs ideas. Or at least be a whole lot better at trolling, cause right now this is just pathetic.
fancyboy · 61-69, M
@SW-User How do you know they're your ideas? For that matter, how are you sure I'm trolling? My disagreeing with you is causing you to react in the socially prescribed manner - consciously or subconsciously......
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@SW-User The human brain develops from stimulus, but not everyone reacts to the same stimuli the same way. There are biological differences and a whole textbook series in between. We do function alone, even those in isolation develop their own culture as seen in the South American jungles or that weird family in Russia that had been isolated for decades.
If your argument is, no one is an individual because our brains operate on a similar basis, that is, we need input to develop, then you're arguing from the absurd. We are social animals, but we don't feel collectively, we don't experience collectively. If you and I are in different rooms and there is a mortar that lands in the house, we will have different experiences, reactions, and we won't feel each other's pain if one of us is wounded. Our experiences in the same event will be different.
Then there's the small matter of individual experience prior. Similarity is not congruence. Also, we have to TRAIN to work together. I have a military background and even after basic, we still needed a lot of training to learn how to work together, we had to learn to stop being individuals and practice it. Mistakes were still made and not everyone knew how to do the same things as well, despite standardized training over a period of time.
If your argument is, no one is an individual because our brains operate on a similar basis, that is, we need input to develop, then you're arguing from the absurd. We are social animals, but we don't feel collectively, we don't experience collectively. If you and I are in different rooms and there is a mortar that lands in the house, we will have different experiences, reactions, and we won't feel each other's pain if one of us is wounded. Our experiences in the same event will be different.
Then there's the small matter of individual experience prior. Similarity is not congruence. Also, we have to TRAIN to work together. I have a military background and even after basic, we still needed a lot of training to learn how to work together, we had to learn to stop being individuals and practice it. Mistakes were still made and not everyone knew how to do the same things as well, despite standardized training over a period of time.
Allelse · 36-40, M
Nah, I'm sure its one of those tribes all hidden away in the Amazon.
SoftServe · 26-30, M
Nonsense like it takes a village to raise children is killing individual thought.
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@SoftServe So the basic level of humanity is the group?
SoftServe · 26-30, M
@quietlitany it’s the family.
quietlitany · 36-40, M
@SoftServe I think families are made up of individuals. If everyone leaves the house and one stays behind, will that member's thoughts cease? Will they feel the feelings of the others outside?
therighttothink50 · 56-60, M
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