So ANTIFA....opinions?

@UndeadPrivateer A war that would not end well for America...if either side wins.

Either eventuality will most likely end in an authoritarian government...more cameras, more cops, harsher prison sentences...maybe even curfews...after all...what if there are "Insert Opposing Faction" Sympathisers Still Around? right?

And what of the rest of the world?

@Fangirlsarah1996 How it would end for America is unclear. No one can tell the future. The first American Civil War was horrific and bloody but did it end in a particularly poor way for America? Not really. Definitely hurt the American economy in the short term and politically divided the population, but the nation recovered over the following decades and came back strong.

The whole view that the only possibility is a liberal or conservative authoritarian government is a prime example of a false dichotomy. Civil wars and revolutions don't work that way and you rarely end up with things that go to far extremes. Especially because civil wars are particularly taxing on both manpower and willpower of the people who make up the nation, making extreme forms of government rather unfeasible. Those that do go to extremes very consistently suffer economic collapse in short order.

There is already a wave of revolution starting to spread across the world, America is but one piece in a larger machine. We currently live in a time of immense change and when the government refuses to cooperate with the changes of the world within and around it the people will change the government, by force if necessary. It's just the way things work.

@UndeadPrivateer That was back when we didn't have the tools to properly enforce an authoritarian regime, especially due to the instability that followed...now that people are more connected, it's easier to keep tabs on them.

That is because most examples of revolution we've had were rather small scale, in comparison to America (Only including more modern revolutions of course)

Though we can both agree that no matter how it turns out for America, the American people lose...and America end up a little lower on the global food chain.

@Fangirlsarah1996 Oh there were plenty of authoritarian regimes back then. They were quite common. Are you at all familiar with the history of the Catholic Church? Do the Crusades ring any bells? Maybe the Spanish Inquisition? Stepping outside of Christendom, how about the Roman Empire? The Meiji Restoration? Or maybe we should step into a more modern era and look at Imperial Japan? How about the USSR? Looooots of examples of outright authoritarianism throughout history.

The whole "they could use data to track us all!" alarmist view is ignorant of the problems with collecting and monitoring large volumes of data. It's not an easy thing to do in the slightest. Maybe if we got taken over by robot overlords who could sift through it at superhuman pace, but it wouldn't be a human authoritarian government in that case.

...Only small scale? You would call the fall of East Germany the USSR and the Maoist Revolution small scale? What's large scale, then? An American Civil War definitely wouldn't count, we have a near identical population to the USSR at its height and Maoist China definitely outnumbered us.

I really don't get what you're trying to get at with the whole "global food chain" thing, that's not how geopolitics work. Where we would emerge after a revolution is entirely dependent on the context and outcome of the revolution and who supports what sides. We could become stronger or we could become weaker, there's no way to tell until we're already through it.

@UndeadPrivateer You'd better be worried because they are terrorists, willing to use violence to shut up speech they don't like. Today it might be someone else's speech. Tomorrow, next week, next month, next year it will be yours. And it will be way too late to stop them. Hello! There is a reason we declared our independence from the king. If you don't value your freedoms, fine, get the fuck out of here and go live somewhere else, preferably where you wont have any.

@katielass If you're worried about them being terrorists then fearmongering is doing their work for them. Good job joining the terrorists. 👌

@UndeadPrivateer Hey lame brained useful idiot. You just continue to stick your head up your ass. Those of us who understand freedom because we understand history will fight them off but once we're gone it's on you and I can die happy knowing you will eat your own words.

@katielass The insults only make it obvious just how poor your position is. If all you can do is attack me as a person and not the argument that means you have no good counter-argument. They're funny though, I'll give you credit where it's due. Oxymorons are good stuff.

@TotalMiss That's literally the opposite of fascism. What is your description of fascism?

@TotalMiss What "World Leader?" Exalting nation above individual means exalting nation above individual. It doesn't mean exalting corporation above individual, that's words being twisted into things they don't mean. A fully centralized autocratic government doesn't have empowered corporations, autocratic means that they are all-powerful and corporations are struck down by fascist regimes. Look at actual fascist regimes in history, the large corporations/businesses/organizations and all their assets are seized and reappropriated by the government seizing power.

Where are you getting all this crazy conspiracy theory business?

@TotalMiss No, it doesn't. It sounds anarchist. And what does Agenda 21 have to do with any of the things you're mentioning?

@TotalMiss The corporations that agreed with him made a lot of money, yes. And the ones that didn't were dismantled by an empowered government and had their resources reappropriated. If those corporations that benefited showed any signs of switching sides they too would've be dismantled and reappropriated. Fascism is centralized around an autocratic government, not a corporation. You have left the realm of government and gone into forms of anarchy once you get rid of the government. What you're talking about would be what's called anarcho-capitalism. Or AnCap for short.

@TotalMiss Trump espouses some fascist ideals but he is not a full-blown fascist. Or at least if he is, he has not shown his full colors yet. He is a part of the government and he owns and is associated with a large number of corporations and brought on a large number of people who were associated with various corporations in his financial circle, that's getting to where the lines are getting blurry. I'm not a political scientist so I'm not going to say anything more than "the lines are blurry" on that one. It all depends on what his end-game is, and that's something that obviously no one knows but him. Maybe not even him, I don't know.

@TotalMiss Sure, that's not a surprise. You want to encourage growth in a specific direction, so you empower the private entities that are progressing in the direction. That's no different than how any government subsidy works. Just like how farmers are subsidized to keep vegetable prices down for a nation, if you want to improve resource consumption on a global scale you're going to need to reward the global scale corporations that are using their resources intelligently. If you want someone to keep doing what they're doing then you're going to need to give them a reason to do it, it's just how humans work.

Just because a college professor said some prediction about the future doesn't make it true. It was his opinion of where things are going, not the end-all-be-all guide to where the world is going to lead. I had college professors that said all kinds of asinine things that were absolutely not true.

Fascism and globalism are separate things with separate meanings. Blending words together to all mean the same thing helps no one except for maybe these 'globalists' you seem to detest so much.

And yes, antifa are anarchists. Because anarchy is the polar opposite of fascism. Funny how that works.

@TotalMiss Oh I know fully well that there are people who think the things you do, but where are the actual facts behind it? Where is the proof? It's a conspiracy theory if you are supposing something you cannot prove about a group of people cooperating toward a common goal. So what you are describing is a conspiracy theory.

Talking in circles is not helping your case, you're just confusing terms and muddying things all together. Fascism is anarchism is globalism is corporatism is whatever buzzwords are necessary to raise alarm in a specific subset of the population. Fascist governments are not a thing of a bygone era that we've had many generations to evolve since, they're a thing of the very recent past for whom there are still living witnesses.

I am currently reading Agenda 21 and I don't see anything even vaguely alarming about any of it. It's all quite tame.

Anarchists are anarchists. Fascists are fascists. Again, confusing terms is not helping your cause. Use the terms that apply, don't use the ones that don't. If you support fascism, alright, that's fine. I don't agree with you, but you're entitled to whatever you want to believe. If you support anarchism, that's fine too, I don't agree with that either but again you're entitled to whatever you want to believe. But they are absolutely not one in the same and you can't convince me, or the dictionary for that matter, that they are.