The University canceled a panel discussion called “The Stifling of Free Speech on University Campuses”

@Ynotisay So this protest for equal rights should have never happened if some other groups protested? In a democracy...there is a surpreme being that gets to decide?

During their time...every one of these was just as radical as anything today (right or left).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings (they were right to be shot at)?

Not at a Unversity...much of these movements came out of Universities.

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/i-have-dream-address-delivered-march-washington-jobs-and-freedom

http://www.ushistory.org/us/48c.asp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Million_Man_March

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woman_suffrage_parade_of_1913

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_protests_against_the_Vietnam_War

http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/us/trump-charlottesville-reaction-rallies/index.html

https://www.nighttours.com/gaypride/

Very sad if these did not happen. Think about it. Do you think there will be able to be a double standard (ie right vs left march). Definitely, watch out what you wish for (I can guarantee you the pendulum will swing - remember this comment). I would defend both left or right or both could end.

We had Stalin and we had Hitler...and both banned free speech.

@okaybut Cute. We have a President who thinks like you.
Creating a false equivalency between those striving for freedom and equality with those seeking separation and division, huh?
Well isn't that just special?
Well, like I said, those who are taking that position are clearly complicit with the message of fear. Then they get to find each other and pretend to feel strong and justified. Just pure weakness from where I'm standing.

@Ynotisay You made your point, you want to decide. Watch out...the shut down will extend to your causes. And remember, you asked for it. Maybe reread 1984 or pick it up if you have not. Look at my post...the event they shut down was not extreme. The far right can use the precedent (as you have mentioned Trump has already begun this argument). And that is not cute, it is horrifying.

ie.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/polish-police-feminist-rally-anti-fascists-removed-for-far-right-march-armed-forces-day-a7895316.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Pride

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989

http://nationalpost.com/news/world/the-pakistani-girl-the-taliban-tried-to-silence-malala-yousafzai-to-study-at-oxford/wcm/02faaf3d-7913-4d4f-b561-378a1ed6798c

@Ynotisay In the exchange the master tells the student that he disagrees with her. She responds by screaming: "THEN STEP DOWN. IF THAT IS WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT BEING MASTER YOU SHOULD STEP DOWN. IT IS NOT ABOUT CREATING AN INTELLECTUAL SPACE. IT IS NOT, DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? IT IS ABOUT CREATING A HOME HERE." She finishes by telling him: "You are disgusting." At one point another student can be heard saying: "He doesn't deserve to be listened to."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/free-speech-safe-spaces-yale-racism-gender-sexuality-a6757936.html

@okaybut Sorry man. I don't live in your world.

@Ynotisay Just try to understand the courts are going more right. If you do not protect free speech for all, you support the right to censor free speech. And the closer this censorship gets to the middle, the more dangerous it becomes. Because then the censorship is about control of ideas and not about hate or safety or protection.

We need to dialogue to find the essential common ground. Maybe not you or I, but for those in the middle to join us. Let the Trolls speak.

Censorship of free speech is the start of any far-left or far-right government. Trump has not begun, but many Universities are giving him a red carpet. I know you don't think a speech canceled at University due to violence matters much, but it does. It is the seed. You want to continue your anti-Trump message, which you have a right to.

You read Animal Farm and 1984. Orwell was communist and socialist. His message about the corruption of censorship and government control is essential understanding. If lived through Fascist Germany and Communist Russia.

If Kennedy retires, Donald Trump's legacy is set
http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/26/politics/kennedy-retirement-trump/index.html

@okaybut Sorry man. You're misusing the phrase "free speech." And nothing personal but I'm running out of patience when I hear that mentioned incorrectly. It's too important for people to bend what it really means to suit their agenda.
These issues surrounding universities have NOTHING to do with free speech. What they are is an opportunity for fascists to play the persecution card.

Censorship is a government act. Organizations and private businesses are free to choose their own course within the confines of the law. As an example, it's legal to say "nigger." If I walk in to my place of business and start yelling "nigger" does my boss have the right to fire me? Or would that be an infringement on my right to free speech?

And sorry man but there IS no common ground, at least for me, with fascists. They're incongruous messages. It's never been about "dialogue" and appeasement is not an option.

@Ynotisay I don't think I am, but you might be?

Eleanor Roosevelt and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1949). Article 19 states that "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; yet not every one receives it. This right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

@okaybut You're totally missing my point and it's looking like you're doing so on purpose. Picking a quote from 194freaking9, when blacks had to use different water fountains, is proof of that.
You do know that you weren't quoting anything having to do with the U.S. right? The United Nations isn't the United States.
I'm done brother. Thanks.

@Ynotisay Not trying to change the point at all. I believe you might be forgetting the importance of history and the incredible importance of free speech. Again, it is not cute, it is essential to human rights and dignity.

Back when Blacks had to protest, they were radicals and some people wanted to censor their right to free speech. Now it is obvious, but not then. That is the danger in trying to stop free speech. You just might be on the wrong side, only time will tell. It is much better to error on the side of freedom.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The First Amendment (Amendment I) to the United States Constitution prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, ensuring that there is no prohibition on the free exercise of religion, abridging the freedom of speech, infringing on the freedom of the press, interfering with the right to peaceably assemble, or prohibiting the petitioning for a governmental redress of grievances.

It was adopted on December 15, 1791, as one of the ten amendments that constitute the Bill of Rights.

There is very much a reason it is the First Amendment. Back in 1791 they understood it was the cornerstone of a Democracy.

@okaybut I didn't read what you wrote. Not only did I say, "I'm done brother" but I even offered a respectful "thanks."
Yeah. Right. "Dialogue."
Sorry man. No interest.

@okaybut What he is saying is exactly what I was referring to when I said some people, with good intentions, are being manipulated. there are those who WANT to do away with free speech and they are using people like him to accomplish it. As I said before, who wants to hear racist speech? No decent person does but we tolerate it because when we shut them down we also shut ourselves down. Ask anyone who has lived in a fascist or totalitarian state. they'll tell you. The arbitor of speech today might be someone you agree with but next week, next month, next year, it very well might be someone you don't agree with. Smart people can see this.

@katielass Yes...kind of sad. He could call us Trolls, but we have to fight for his right to. 🤤 I did find him open to discussion (he does not like the notion of "dialogue"), which I am grateful for with the interaction.

@okaybut I've had run ins with him in the past. We've blocked each other. But it wasn't hard to know exactly what he was saying from just reading our response. Well, as i said, if it were just his rights, i wouldn't bother. i'd say go, screw yourself, you'll find out. But it's not just him, or just the leftists whose minds are being manipulated. this affects all of us and like you said, it's worth dying for.