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BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@Adogslife It's funny, because I read more than you, which is why I'm aware that animals such as dogs are thought by most not to be able to love. You know where I got that information? From reading. Instead of just making things up like you do. Dogs care about their owners for the same reason most pets do. You feed them.
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BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@RippinKlouds No I'd definitely still be right, your dog wouldn't love you if you didn't feed it. Wanna bet? Stop feeding your pets and see what happens.
Adogslife · 61-69, M
@BlueMetalChick perhaps 40 years ago, your thoughts were correct. They used to call it anthropomorphic. Now, it's commonly understood that animals, mammals in particular and many pod cetaceans feel emotion. Much of their brains act the same as ours. It has little to do with brain size.
But, to your specific point:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-mysteries-love/201402/can-animals-love
And a quote therein:
"There is one thing we do know though: Your dog or cat doesn’t regard you merely as a food dispenser. Pets as well as zoo animals form strong attachments to their caregivers. As attachment is a form of love, animals are indeed capable of loving their caregivers."
Dogs are even capable of role reversal.
"While it seems relatively uncontroversial that dogs can be attached to their owners, and that the owners assume the role of caregiver, there is also evidence that dogs can temporarily take over the role of caregiver. Dogs seem to be attuned to the emotions of their owners and are able to act as a loyal companion in times of need. In a study published in the September 2012 issue of Animal Cognition, University of London researchers found that dogs were more inclined to approach a crying person than someone who was talking or humming, and that they responded to crying with submissive behavior. According to the researchers, this contrast indicates that the dogs’ response to weeping wasn’t simply the result of curiosity but was based on a primitive understanding of human distress. These findings indicate that when a dog comforts his sorrowful owner, the caregiver-recipient roles are sometimes reversed. The dog temporarily becomes the caregiver, which suggests a more sophisticated attachment pattern in dogs than in infants."
And there are dozens of articles of similar if not more amazing. Elephants burying their dead and morning their loss. Dolphins risking their lives to save a distressed human.
Stick with metal. You know way more than I. But with dogs, you are way out of your league.
But, to your specific point:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-mysteries-love/201402/can-animals-love
And a quote therein:
"There is one thing we do know though: Your dog or cat doesn’t regard you merely as a food dispenser. Pets as well as zoo animals form strong attachments to their caregivers. As attachment is a form of love, animals are indeed capable of loving their caregivers."
Dogs are even capable of role reversal.
"While it seems relatively uncontroversial that dogs can be attached to their owners, and that the owners assume the role of caregiver, there is also evidence that dogs can temporarily take over the role of caregiver. Dogs seem to be attuned to the emotions of their owners and are able to act as a loyal companion in times of need. In a study published in the September 2012 issue of Animal Cognition, University of London researchers found that dogs were more inclined to approach a crying person than someone who was talking or humming, and that they responded to crying with submissive behavior. According to the researchers, this contrast indicates that the dogs’ response to weeping wasn’t simply the result of curiosity but was based on a primitive understanding of human distress. These findings indicate that when a dog comforts his sorrowful owner, the caregiver-recipient roles are sometimes reversed. The dog temporarily becomes the caregiver, which suggests a more sophisticated attachment pattern in dogs than in infants."
And there are dozens of articles of similar if not more amazing. Elephants burying their dead and morning their loss. Dolphins risking their lives to save a distressed human.
Stick with metal. You know way more than I. But with dogs, you are way out of your league.
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@Adogslife Emotion, yes. Love, no. There's exactly zero scientific evidence that most animals feel what we call love. In fact, a lot of humans don't even feel it.
Your quote is exactly backwards. Your dog and cat think you are only a food dispenser. Why else would they care about you?
Dogs do not become a caregiver. What you're failing to realize is that humans have the tendency to assign humanlike emotions and reasons for animals, or even inanimate objects, to do things. A dog will be loyal to you because without you it will starve. It will protect you because you are what keeps it alive. Of course. That makes perfect sense. But if you did not feed your dog or give it a home, why else would it care about you? It's not like the dog just genuinely likes you.
Dolphins and elephants are exponentially more intelligent creatures than dogs or cats. For them to show tendencies like that makes more sense.
There are many more than dozens of articles with very detailed studies on why you're both wrong, and a liar.
It's funny that someone named "a dog's life" doesn't know these things, but a person who doesn't even like dogs, like me, knows more than you. You're way out of your league here, I hate to tell you this, but your personal feelings of how much you like dogs doesn't change biological facts.
Your quote is exactly backwards. Your dog and cat think you are only a food dispenser. Why else would they care about you?
Dogs do not become a caregiver. What you're failing to realize is that humans have the tendency to assign humanlike emotions and reasons for animals, or even inanimate objects, to do things. A dog will be loyal to you because without you it will starve. It will protect you because you are what keeps it alive. Of course. That makes perfect sense. But if you did not feed your dog or give it a home, why else would it care about you? It's not like the dog just genuinely likes you.
Dolphins and elephants are exponentially more intelligent creatures than dogs or cats. For them to show tendencies like that makes more sense.
There are many more than dozens of articles with very detailed studies on why you're both wrong, and a liar.
It's funny that someone named "a dog's life" doesn't know these things, but a person who doesn't even like dogs, like me, knows more than you. You're way out of your league here, I hate to tell you this, but your personal feelings of how much you like dogs doesn't change biological facts.
Adogslife · 61-69, M
@BlueMetalChick
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/12/its-finally-proven---scientists-test-whether-cats-or-dogs-love-u/
"We have pretty good evidence that dogs actually love their humans,” according to Dr Paul Zak, who conducted the study. "A couple of small-scale studies have shown that when owners interact with their dogs, the human and their dog appear to release oxytocin.
"It’s one of the chemical measures of love in mammals. Humans produce the hormone in our brains when we care about someone. For example, when we see our spouse or child the levels in our bloodstream typically rise by 40-60 per cent.”
The neuroscientist checked the oxytocin levels in both cats and dogs after playing with their owners.
He took saliva samples from 10 cats and 10 dogs on two occasions - 10 minutes before a playtime session with their owners and immediately after - and tested both samples for oxytocin.
The results show the hormone increased by an average of 57.2 per cent in dogs but only by 12 per cent in cats.
This means in theory, dogs love their humans more than cats do.
"I was really surprised to discover that dogs produced such high levels of oxytocin… the dog level of 57.2 per cent is a very powerful response. It shows these dogs really care about their owners. It was also a nice surprise to discover that cats produce any at all. At least some of the time, cats seem to bond with their owners,” he added.
Some think that cats don't actually like their owners at all - this study at least proves that wrong.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2016/03/12/its-finally-proven---scientists-test-whether-cats-or-dogs-love-u/
"We have pretty good evidence that dogs actually love their humans,” according to Dr Paul Zak, who conducted the study. "A couple of small-scale studies have shown that when owners interact with their dogs, the human and their dog appear to release oxytocin.
"It’s one of the chemical measures of love in mammals. Humans produce the hormone in our brains when we care about someone. For example, when we see our spouse or child the levels in our bloodstream typically rise by 40-60 per cent.”
The neuroscientist checked the oxytocin levels in both cats and dogs after playing with their owners.
He took saliva samples from 10 cats and 10 dogs on two occasions - 10 minutes before a playtime session with their owners and immediately after - and tested both samples for oxytocin.
The results show the hormone increased by an average of 57.2 per cent in dogs but only by 12 per cent in cats.
This means in theory, dogs love their humans more than cats do.
"I was really surprised to discover that dogs produced such high levels of oxytocin… the dog level of 57.2 per cent is a very powerful response. It shows these dogs really care about their owners. It was also a nice surprise to discover that cats produce any at all. At least some of the time, cats seem to bond with their owners,” he added.
Some think that cats don't actually like their owners at all - this study at least proves that wrong.
Adogslife · 61-69, M
@BlueMetalChick
http://stories.barkpost.com/dogs-love-us-like-family/
We already know that our pups love us. There is no doubt about that. You can see it in their eyes. You can see it in their smile. And you can see it in their tail-wags.
But, if you’re like me, you’ve probably found yourself wondering, “How much does my dog love me? What does he get out of our lovin’ relationship?”
Thanks to scientists and their quest to understand the human-dog relationship on a deeper level we now have some more answers on the subject.
According to a recent piece by Mic in partnership with GE, “Not only do dogs seem to love us back, they actually see us as their family. It turns out that dogs rely on humans more than they do their own kind for affection, protection and everything in between.”
Image via Le Journal De Montreal
Dogs understand the world through their noses. So, scientists at Emory University conducted a neuroimaging study about odor processing in dogs’ brains. They trained dogs to stay very still so they could do an MRI of their brains while presenting them with smells, both strange and familiar.
What they found was that dogs’ reward centers lit up like fireworks on the 4th of July when presented with their owner’s familiar smell. It turns out that in the barrage of smells they are presented with on a daily basis, they filter out and prioritize their human’s smells above all."
[b]"Dogs are the only species that when frightened, worried, or anxious, run to their humans for comfort, just like children do. They are also the only species that seek eye-contact with their humans.[/b]
Humans have always seen dogs as family, but now there’s definitive proof that dogs truly think of us as family as well."
http://stories.barkpost.com/dogs-love-us-like-family/
We already know that our pups love us. There is no doubt about that. You can see it in their eyes. You can see it in their smile. And you can see it in their tail-wags.
But, if you’re like me, you’ve probably found yourself wondering, “How much does my dog love me? What does he get out of our lovin’ relationship?”
Thanks to scientists and their quest to understand the human-dog relationship on a deeper level we now have some more answers on the subject.
According to a recent piece by Mic in partnership with GE, “Not only do dogs seem to love us back, they actually see us as their family. It turns out that dogs rely on humans more than they do their own kind for affection, protection and everything in between.”
Image via Le Journal De Montreal
Dogs understand the world through their noses. So, scientists at Emory University conducted a neuroimaging study about odor processing in dogs’ brains. They trained dogs to stay very still so they could do an MRI of their brains while presenting them with smells, both strange and familiar.
What they found was that dogs’ reward centers lit up like fireworks on the 4th of July when presented with their owner’s familiar smell. It turns out that in the barrage of smells they are presented with on a daily basis, they filter out and prioritize their human’s smells above all."
[b]"Dogs are the only species that when frightened, worried, or anxious, run to their humans for comfort, just like children do. They are also the only species that seek eye-contact with their humans.[/b]
Humans have always seen dogs as family, but now there’s definitive proof that dogs truly think of us as family as well."
Peaches · F
@BlueMetalChick Why you are so hateful?!😔
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@Peaches Hateful is not the right word. Because I think dogs suck does not make me hateful. Besides, they do suck. They smell horrible, they shit everywhere, they slobber on you, need constant attention, they're hairy, they eat their own feces, they're loud and noisy and all around just absolutely awful.
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@Adogslife That would have been great if any of that were true at all.
[quote]We already know that our pups love us. There is no doubt about that.[/quote]
Right off the bat, logical fallacy. Begging the question. "Let's start by assuming that a claim is true." You can't do that.
[quote]You can see it in their eyes. You can see it in their smile. And you can see it in their tail-wags.[/quote]
Oh that's real convincing evidence, I'm so totally willing to believe "puppy eyes and tail wags" over hard scientific fact.
[quote]But, if you’re like me, you’ve probably found yourself wondering, “How much does my dog love me? What does he get out of our lovin’ relationship?”[/quote]
We already know the answer to that question. They get fed and they get shelter. You're a little late to the party on this one, pal.
[quote]Thanks to scientists and their quest to understand the human-dog relationship on a deeper level we now have some more answers on the subject.[/quote]
Scientists? You mean to tell me that scientists are concluding that dogs love their owners based on how you can "see it in their eyes, smile, and tail wags?" Are these scientists a group of toddlers? Or old grandmas?
[quote]It turns out that dogs rely on humans more than they do their own kind for affection, protection and everything in between.”[/quote]
Of course they rely more on us than we do on them, again, you're way late to the party. A human can survive fine without a dog. A dog can survive without a human but the odds are not in their favor. They're domesticated animals, they're not adapted to live in the wild. As if that's not common knowledge?
[quote]What they found was that dogs’ reward centers lit up like fireworks on the 4th of July when presented with their owner’s familiar smell.[/quote]
Yes, that makes perfect sense. They smell their owner having returned home, they know they'll get fed now. Duh.
[quote]"Dogs are the only species that when frightened, worried, or anxious, run to their humans for comfort, just like children do. They are also the only species that seek eye-contact with their humans.[/quote]
And that's just a complete lie. Having owned pigs most of my life, which are considerably more intelligent than dogs are, I can tell you that pigs will run to a human when frightened or upset. My sister owns a monkey (I know, it's weird, there's a stupid story behind it) and it immediately runs to her when scared. That passage is a load of garbage, but what would I expect from "barkpost.com?" Try a source that's not a shitty dog lover's magazine.
[quote]Humans have always seen dogs as family, but now there’s definitive proof that dogs truly think of us as family as well."[/quote]
Really? Cos I missed the proof. Where was it? Was it under the pickles?
[quote]We already know that our pups love us. There is no doubt about that.[/quote]
Right off the bat, logical fallacy. Begging the question. "Let's start by assuming that a claim is true." You can't do that.
[quote]You can see it in their eyes. You can see it in their smile. And you can see it in their tail-wags.[/quote]
Oh that's real convincing evidence, I'm so totally willing to believe "puppy eyes and tail wags" over hard scientific fact.
[quote]But, if you’re like me, you’ve probably found yourself wondering, “How much does my dog love me? What does he get out of our lovin’ relationship?”[/quote]
We already know the answer to that question. They get fed and they get shelter. You're a little late to the party on this one, pal.
[quote]Thanks to scientists and their quest to understand the human-dog relationship on a deeper level we now have some more answers on the subject.[/quote]
Scientists? You mean to tell me that scientists are concluding that dogs love their owners based on how you can "see it in their eyes, smile, and tail wags?" Are these scientists a group of toddlers? Or old grandmas?
[quote]It turns out that dogs rely on humans more than they do their own kind for affection, protection and everything in between.”[/quote]
Of course they rely more on us than we do on them, again, you're way late to the party. A human can survive fine without a dog. A dog can survive without a human but the odds are not in their favor. They're domesticated animals, they're not adapted to live in the wild. As if that's not common knowledge?
[quote]What they found was that dogs’ reward centers lit up like fireworks on the 4th of July when presented with their owner’s familiar smell.[/quote]
Yes, that makes perfect sense. They smell their owner having returned home, they know they'll get fed now. Duh.
[quote]"Dogs are the only species that when frightened, worried, or anxious, run to their humans for comfort, just like children do. They are also the only species that seek eye-contact with their humans.[/quote]
And that's just a complete lie. Having owned pigs most of my life, which are considerably more intelligent than dogs are, I can tell you that pigs will run to a human when frightened or upset. My sister owns a monkey (I know, it's weird, there's a stupid story behind it) and it immediately runs to her when scared. That passage is a load of garbage, but what would I expect from "barkpost.com?" Try a source that's not a shitty dog lover's magazine.
[quote]Humans have always seen dogs as family, but now there’s definitive proof that dogs truly think of us as family as well."[/quote]
Really? Cos I missed the proof. Where was it? Was it under the pickles?
Adogslife · 61-69, M
@BlueMetalChick stick with your third world hatred of dogs.
Just because someone writes a bit fluffy when talking about a legitimate scientific study doesn't mean the facts of that study are invalid.
Plus, your basic argument is complete crap. If there was no food, the dog would stay by your side and starve with you. Animals as small as mice and rats have been proven to show caring and compassion. None of this is news. It hasn't been for close to 50 years.
Perhaps you should move out of the shithole where they eat dogs. Or, maybe go to a nice house with nice dogs instead of the half feral ones you describe.
Anyone that would eat a dog should be shot and served themselves. Btw, do you eat humans too? Horse? Cat?
What is off limits in the third world?
Just because someone writes a bit fluffy when talking about a legitimate scientific study doesn't mean the facts of that study are invalid.
Plus, your basic argument is complete crap. If there was no food, the dog would stay by your side and starve with you. Animals as small as mice and rats have been proven to show caring and compassion. None of this is news. It hasn't been for close to 50 years.
Perhaps you should move out of the shithole where they eat dogs. Or, maybe go to a nice house with nice dogs instead of the half feral ones you describe.
Anyone that would eat a dog should be shot and served themselves. Btw, do you eat humans too? Horse? Cat?
What is off limits in the third world?
Peaches · F
@BlueMetalChick 😱🐕
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@Adogslife Third world hatred? Now I'm genuinely confused by that statement. I'm not from the Third World, and I don't live in a Third World country. And what's more is I don't understand why the Third World would hate dogs.
[quote]If there was no food, the dog would stay by your side and starve with you.[/quote]
So it's pretty clear you've never actually owned a dog before, then. Because that exact situation has happened to me, more than once unfortunately, and the dog is going to absolutely not stay with you and starve. They're not the most intelligent of animals, granted, but they're not [i]that[/i] stupid.
[quote]Perhaps you should move out of the shithole where they eat dogs.[/quote]
Yeah sorry to tell you but "the shithole where they eat dogs" is not somewhere that I live, that's the majority of three continents. But if you wanna call the entirety of Asia, most of Africa and at least half of Europe a shithole, go ahead. Although...I guess most of Africa does seem like a shithole, but whatever. Japan is the place where I was mostly eating dogs back in the day. And that's anything but a shithole. Now I live in Chicago in the USA, where eating dog is illegal but you can still buy dog meat from the Chinese market.
[quote]Anyone that would eat a dog should be shot and served themselves.[/quote]
Are you a vegetarian? Because if not, you're the most hypocritical son of a bitch on Earth. There is no difference between eating a dog and any other animal. If you consume meat products, but you think it's wrong to eat dogs, then you're the one who should be shot.
[quote]Btw, do you eat humans too? Horse? Cat?[/quote]
Oh I eat horse too, yeah. I've eaten cat before but it tastes [i]terrible[/i]. And I mean seriously, it's really bad. I only ate a cat because I was starving though. Honestly, I'd had no food in five days and was vomiting straight bile. So it tasted like shit but it saved me from dying of starvation at least.
[quote]What is off limits in the third world?[/quote]
Why do you keep asking about the Third World? I don't live in a Third World country, you fucking dunce. You keep going back to that as if I'm from a Third World country. I'm an ethnic Serb, which is the Second World, I live in the USA, which is the First World, and I started eating dog in Japan when I did an exchange student program in high school, which is also the First World.
[quote]If there was no food, the dog would stay by your side and starve with you.[/quote]
So it's pretty clear you've never actually owned a dog before, then. Because that exact situation has happened to me, more than once unfortunately, and the dog is going to absolutely not stay with you and starve. They're not the most intelligent of animals, granted, but they're not [i]that[/i] stupid.
[quote]Perhaps you should move out of the shithole where they eat dogs.[/quote]
Yeah sorry to tell you but "the shithole where they eat dogs" is not somewhere that I live, that's the majority of three continents. But if you wanna call the entirety of Asia, most of Africa and at least half of Europe a shithole, go ahead. Although...I guess most of Africa does seem like a shithole, but whatever. Japan is the place where I was mostly eating dogs back in the day. And that's anything but a shithole. Now I live in Chicago in the USA, where eating dog is illegal but you can still buy dog meat from the Chinese market.
[quote]Anyone that would eat a dog should be shot and served themselves.[/quote]
Are you a vegetarian? Because if not, you're the most hypocritical son of a bitch on Earth. There is no difference between eating a dog and any other animal. If you consume meat products, but you think it's wrong to eat dogs, then you're the one who should be shot.
[quote]Btw, do you eat humans too? Horse? Cat?[/quote]
Oh I eat horse too, yeah. I've eaten cat before but it tastes [i]terrible[/i]. And I mean seriously, it's really bad. I only ate a cat because I was starving though. Honestly, I'd had no food in five days and was vomiting straight bile. So it tasted like shit but it saved me from dying of starvation at least.
[quote]What is off limits in the third world?[/quote]
Why do you keep asking about the Third World? I don't live in a Third World country, you fucking dunce. You keep going back to that as if I'm from a Third World country. I'm an ethnic Serb, which is the Second World, I live in the USA, which is the First World, and I started eating dog in Japan when I did an exchange student program in high school, which is also the First World.
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@Peaches In high school I did an exchange student program in Japan, and dog is eaten there. It's considered a poor person's food because it is cheap low quality meat. I refuse to eat animal products unless I know the animal was both raised and killed humanely though. I don't think any living thing should be mistreated, even the creatures I dislike.