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@Ozuye502 a lot of tyranny they cause indeed... ☹️

@Ozuye502 I have a water gun. Pink. Scary

@NerdyPotato firearms are just a tool my friend used for both liberty and tyranny. They have freed and enslaved men women and children. When in appropriate hands they have saved more lives than they have cost. The Legislation of them is deeply rooted in racism in the USA. If you are looking for the history of it i am more than happy to provide you with both historical and moden examples of this.

@Ozuye502 I know, and in the wrong have they've cost more lives then they saved. It's all about giving them to the right people and making sure they keep them safe, but that goes wrong a lot.

@NerdyPotato you do realize that self defense uses vastly out number criminal uses currently. And self defense uses Rarely result in a round fired.

@Ozuye502 self defense against another gunman? That wouldn't be necessary if the other had no gun either. It just raises a level playing field to a more dangerous level.

@NerdyPotato how well trained are you friend?

@Ozuye502 guns are illegal here, so I've never touched one and hence have not received training. But is training mandatory in the USA?

@NerdyPotato in some states yes in some no. However background check is mandatory for all new gun sales.
Now my training ive gone through countless rounds about 3000 hours of class room instruction 2500 hours of range instruction and practice on a regular basis at home and at a range.
Ive been through multiple schools around the us. Including instruction from a regular guy training and been to thunder ranch for pistol and rifle combat classes. Ive shot in competition from cowbow action to 3 gun.
So needless to say im well versed aroud multiple weapons platforms. My first lesson was from an active law enforcement officer followed by multiple combat veterans and other law enforcement officers.
Now im not picking on you or anything negative.
But you have zero experience handling a firearm while i carry at least 1 daily. So theres that. But heres a statistical analysis for you that hopefully will change your mind. Number of casualties in a mass shooting stopped by law enforcement is between 16 and 17. Number of casualties stopped by an armed citizen is around 3 to 4. Including the shooter. Which would you rather have?

@Ozuye502 maybe if such extensive training (and regular refreshment courses) were mandatory nation wide, the wouldn't be such a problem. With open internal borders, requiring training in one state and not another means you can go anywhere with a gun without training.

Those statistics are rather meaningless though. It's not unthinkable that shootings where a revolver is used are often stopped by a citizen, but when a machine gun is at play it's left to the police. Obviously the latter will result in more casualties before anyone even realises what's happening. That doesn't mean a citizen could have stopped that faster.

@NerdyPotato bro my training costs over the past 12 years have been thousands some classes exceeding $10,000 plus ammo. That is turning the right of self defense into a privilege. Which marginalizes individual who cant afford it.
Let me guess here AR15 stands for "assault rifle 15" machine guns are so expensive entery level ones cost as much as a good used car! And require special permits and extensive background checks and a 1 year waiting period. Most mass shooting are committed with weapons like the glock 19. Semi auto hand guns like the one on my hip daily and because government changed the definition most are now gang related shootings.
Now as for the police they have zero constitutional obligation to act or protect the citizens. No one is coming expect to self rescue. Look up the Uvalde texas shooting not a single cop who responded acted and only one was disciplined for their cowardice.

@Ozuye502 a car is fairly essential and expensive too, but you don't let people drive those without training either.

What does it matter what AR stands for? You can name that same thing R2D2 or 34D if you want, but that won't make it fire bullets any slower. My only point on those statistics is that not every shooting is the same, so just averaging the number of casualties in two categories won't tell you anything about how someone else would/could have handled it.

@NerdyPotato armalite rifle and has the same rate of fire as a m1911 hand gun (you the same hand gun used in every WW2 and Vietnam movie) hell American GIs were packing that back in WW1. Yes the AR15 was INTENDED for the civilian market and had to be modified for military use and spits the same amount of rounds per minute as a hand gun built in 1911. By the way that hand gun only holds 8 rounds.

You are correct however a car is viewed as a privilege not a right.

[media=https://youtu.be/ZOAvFrQA7_U]@NerdyPotato
Kid with basic training in a no permit state out gunned in ammo capacity engaged a shoot in a mall kid fired 10 rounds hit 8 saved countless lives!
You don't hear about these stories due to media agenda and political alliance with gun control lobbying.