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Does Anyone Know The Flat-Earth "Conspiracy"?

TBLman has posted umpteen threads here asserting that the Earth is a flat disc stationary in Space, with no gravity, and the other celestial bodies (presumably) orbiting it.

He has not invented this. So don't blame him.

There are assorted videos, blogs or whatever on t'Net pushing the idea as dogma that Shall Not Be Questioned, and he's apparently gained his ideas from these. They can be nasty, the people making these, too; calling anyone who questions them, a liar or an idiot; or using a trick common in the form of domestic abuse called in law, "coercive & controlling behaviour"..

Their common theme is that only they are telling the truth and we have all been taught a gigantic lie about spherical planets and the heliocentric, Solar System... but why would we be; and by whom?

The geocentric model was pushed for centuries by the Church, for their power; but ironically it was a model devised by a pagan (in their eyes) - the pre-Christian, non-Jewish Classical Greek, Aristotle, whose own religion was of a soap-opera pantheon. Its attraction was of simple arrogance, placing Man (literally and figuratively, 'man') at the centre of the Universe. Eventually the Church of Rome conceded Galileo and his contemporaries were right, though it took it 400 years to swallow its pride and apologise to their memories. The Vatican even has it own observatory now.

In FE-ist eyes, the heliocentric and gravity model is heresy, designed as part of, or supporting a mysterious "conspiracy"; but a conspiracy of what? Not itself because that would gain nothing for the conspirators - apart from ridicule.

TBLman told me the conspiracy is extremely complicated, but not what it is, suggesting as many explanations as adherents. It would have to be complicated to have originated in centuries past, yet still be maintained around the world even today; with no evident purpose or beneficiaries.

(As guide to age, Renaissance paintings sometime show globes. These were mapped, though not ever so accurately, by the early mariners who set forth from European countries to "discover new" lands... usually so their own countries could conquer them.)

One present-day example is a certain Eric Dubay, a yoga instructor, who calls his version "The Atlantean Conspiracy". At least he is civil about it, but his long list of images and short texts to show only his basic lack of geographical or simple physics, knowledge.

A 19C example was a grocer, later hotelier, falsely pretending to be a "professor", in the Dakota spa-town of Hot Springs. I'd name him but, sorry, I have lost the reference. His very strange model depicted the known world as not itself flat, but as a toroidal dish, like a roulette wheel, in the middle of a huge, square slab of rock. He did not seem to pretend any conspiracies but claimed Biblical "proof", and made money from selling his pamphlets about it! There is a Wikipedia entry about him, with a facsimile of his cod-Renaissance drawing of Planet Roulette-wheel.

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So probably no single, cohesive, coherent FE model, and probably no single, coherent "conspiracy"..

Yet they go to such lengths to call all the rest of us, fools and liars!

The supreme irony of these anti-science types though, is that they use the Internet to push it.
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RedBaron · M
Why bother with such a waste of time?
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@RedBaron That what I was wondering, but they do bother, with messianic zeal and its accompanying fear of being challenged or proven wrong.

It goes beyond the immediate though, to become dangerous.

Dogmatic assertions of flat planets and no gravity are themselves eccentric and illogical, but basically harmless.

However. this why they should be challenged:

Those caught up by the imaginary "conspiracies" wrapped around the FE dogma, are those likely to fall for and spread far more dangerous political, religious or social "conspiracy" versions of real persons, institutions and events; thus only deepening ignorance, fear, division and hatred.

It's not the FE theme itself that is hazardous, however mistaken it is, but "conspiracy theory" gullibility and zeal.
RedBaron · M
@ArishMell But I meant why bother giving it any attention, especially since there's not a whole lot you or anyone can do about it.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@RedBaron That is a fair question I will try to answer fairly!

I am interested in what people believe, and why.

I don't need agree with them necessarily, indeed the more strange or mistaken their belief seems to me, the more I want to want to try to understand their motives.

My interest was aroused or strengthened by reading a reprint of a 19C book that examines this very question.

It is the 19C Scottish journalist, Charles Mackay's Extraordinary Popular Delusions - and the Madness of Crowds..

Originally published in1846, the 1995 re-print is prefaced by Professor of Modern History, Norman Stone, (Oxford Uni.) drawing uncomfortable parallels with modern events.

Though at least we no longer burn people alive, or hang them, through a popular terror of alleged "witches." No: we just see livelihoods destroyed by orchestrated social[??}-media campaigns of cowardice, of professional people daring publicly express any opinion some #anonymous-mind thinks "wrong" . Or even worse, bullying of the victims or bereaved of an atrocity - think Alex Jones (Sandy Hook school) or his British near-equivalent, Richard Harris (Manchester Arena concert hall).

The histories MacKay analyses, include witchcraft persecution; Mediaeval alchemy and 19C pseudo-science; the South Sea Bubble and other financial disasters consequent upon greed; the beliefs in haunted houses, prophecies and fortune-telling; and "Popular Admiration of Great Thieves".

Of the last, perhaps the most recent modern Britain example was of the so-called "Great Train Robbery" - of a huge amount of cash, in 1963. Admiration as cowardly in its own way, as the gang-member who coshed the locomotive driver so hard he never properly recovered - and of whom few think. These days, #cowardtroll would probably blame him for having been injured, and hound his family for it.

Despite it being a long book in rather heavy Victorian prose, I think it ought be required reading in all schools and by all politicians! To understand not just the specific examples from long ago, but for its central theme as relevant now as then- of
...the Madness of Crowds
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Unlike those grim, on-line, organised persecutions of victims, Flat-Earthery itself is harmless, even rather amusing....

..... but what does it reveal more generally? What does it show of society?
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@ArishMell in a way that's my interest too. Not in this particular subject in itself, but what is going on in the human psyche in general.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@robingoodfellow Ah, a deep and fascinating field! What sort of strands are looking at particularly?
RedBaron · M
@ArishMell Of course, someone like that can simply be blocked.