Bernie Sanders 1988 interview with two mall punks

@HobNoblin Can you tell me what they said that was wrong?

@SatanBurger The biggest thing is they think ideology can solve social problems. Social problems like crime and corruption come from human nature. You need to solve those problems with transhumanism, change human nature it's self. The rest is predictable kid stuff, not really knowing that society is a survival mechanism. We all play along so we don't rock the boat. We don't rock the boat because it's a life boat. They don't realize this and it shows in their indifferent hyper individualism. Of course the most obvious and most clenche is they're commies (imagine my shock) and think "real communism has never been tried. I bet Bernie about busted a nut when they bought that up.

@HobNoblin
There's a prison in Europe that has the lowest reoffending rates in the entire country and you can guess what they do to achieve that, it's not doing what the for profit corporations want I can tell you that much.

My point in mentioning this is that you use disingenuous arguments like "you can't change human nature," to justify inequality.

Like the prison thing, no one argues that we wouldn't have crime (even though you're suggesting as much.) This is your argument but it's incorrect because it ignores the bigger picture. If you got reoffending rates down to between 40 to 60% then that's actually quite a lot.

The bigger picture is what to look at, you're never going to stop crime but you can mitigate it. The prison system doesn't actually stop crime but makes things worse for a lot of reasons I can't get into as that would be a lot.

But the prison system we have now isn't fair but makes sense ONLY if you believe that it's part of human nature with no other external factors, that's also wrong by the way.

The main point about the above is that you don't know that they know in the video. To just dismiss things as ideology when you don't even know what they know is disengengious.

How do you know? You don't, you just assume and it's that same assumption that allows things to stay the same.

@SatanBurger So what if a prison did lower recidivisim. 60%? Transhumanism can create a situation where no crime was committed in the first place. Looking at human nature is looking at the big picture.

@HobNoblin No it's a self defeatist answer, "human behavior is to murder, so let's not do anything and just complain that the solutions are ideological instead." That makes no sense, it also makes no sense why you engage in these conversations if you do not care about an outcome. Why does it matter for you? You shouldn't be in politics nor discuss things if you're not interested in solutions, it's a waste of your energy.

@SatanBurger You're not paying attention. I'm saying the problem us genetic. Ideology will not fix it. Therefore, a scientific solution is needed such as altering humanity. That is a positive and viable solution, not defeatism. Trying to concoct an ideological solution is just doing the same thing that has already been done since there have been human societies. If it worked it would have by now.

@HobNoblin In the case of the prison with the lowest reoffending rates in all of Europe, it does seem to work or otherwise they wouldn't have low reoffending rates. If you have physical evidence of something working, it suffices to say that it works lol. So our policies should change to reflect that which works.


Well no because people are resistant to change, not because it doesn't work. We can't know what we don't try lol.


Honestly the only one going about ideology is you. What happened with that prison is common sense when you take in account that most of our beliefs around punishment aren't true.

It's just a common sense solution that doesn't fit with your current paradigm of reality, which ironically is ideological by nature.

This is why that prison was successful and other policies not currently apart of your reality have also been successful.

@SatanBurger If you can call committing serious crimes and ending up in prison successful. Im talking about redesigning people so they don't go to prison in the first place. Imagine each person born from an artificial womb. Everyone perfectly healthy. In time, people could all have 200 IQs, the strength of a gorilla, disease would be unknown. A life span of 300 years. A society devoid of crime. We could even be rid of sex and relationships. No physical sex differences and no sexuality. Everyone would be free to explore and create.

@HobNoblin Shouldn't we concentrate on what can be achieved now?

@SatanBurger We should, I'm sure a lot of us are. If people had their own places to be with like minded individuals, that would help.

@HobNoblin I don't think so, it's how we get white nationalists and boomers who are racist trump supporters. Most of them never been in diverse communities, it's why they're racist. They grow up in white neighborhoods and then a lot of the news they focus on is only focused on a few things which creates an illusion that the world is more dangerous than it really is.

People don't need to live in their own bubbles anymore as more and more mixed raced people are around, racists are going to have to get used to different cultures.