Anyone still believe Dems didn’t cheat in 2020?

@SumKindaMunster they will still argue, even when faced with facts they will acknowledge themselves

@SumKindaMunster Independents pìssed by the mismanagement of COVID that now went back to being "independent"?

I thought you defined yourself an independent once, so you should know better than me that they move from one electoral basin to the other according to the circumstances 🤔

@Elessar They didn't vote at all???? 16-20 million people???

@SumKindaMunster I mean Americans sitting out their own elections isn't exactly news. How many "neither with Trump nor with Harris" did you come across on here? And I bet we're at best a few thousands users on the site. Multiply by total population of the US and 16M seems absolutely realistic.

@Elessar lmao!!! I’m talking about a trend over 50 years… the steady increase over 50 years. There were some intense elections in there no doubt… No different than this one.. only difference with this election, if anything, would more than likely show an increase in votes with the availability of options to vote- mail in and early voting in so many places. The evidence is right in front of you and you’re denying it.

@Elessar Please. Cope harder bro. 16-20 million just sat out the most important election of their lives? Saving Democracy and all that? Not likely.

Right now, I really don't care it brought us to a massive win both electorally and the popular vote. The Senate is in Republican hands and if trends continue, Trump will have a friendly House to deal with as well. Maybe it had to happen this way.

@SumKindaMunster They wouldn't be "independent" if they embraced democratic slogans, would they?

As I said the only thing that gave them a sense of urgency was that Trump's management of COVID has been a disaster.

Oh, enjoy.

@Elessar Your theory doesn't pass the sniff test...again, 2020 is a HUGE anomaly from any other Presidential popular election in the last 20 years or so...

@SumKindaMunster Your*

Evidence? When the matter was brought to court, Trump's own advisor said, literally "No reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact", in regards to those allegation.

@Elessar That's not the issue Elessar, its about the vote discrepancies between 2020 and 2024, not what Trump said or did in 2020.

@SumKindaMunster So what if was a HUGE anomaly? Trump himself was an anomaly. We'd just had a pandemic; that was an anomaly. Mail voting was way, way up because that was the way millions more people voted because of the pandemic. And people wanted Trump out. That's a fact. Now, things are back to 2016 levels. Trump's vote share has dropped a little since 2020 and the Dems a lot. Why?

1. Because people are fed up with the way things are going, and the Dems are the incumbents, so will be blamed.
2. Kamala ran a bad campaign very similar to Hillary's, people still saw her as part of the establishment and didn't think much will change.
3. She lost huge swaths of the vote because of her stance on Israel, and her refusal to allow anyone "controversial" to have a seat at the DNC, so millions were disillusioned and stayed at home or voted for third parties.
And 4. And possibly the most important, America still is not ready for a woman to lead them. Misogyny played a huge part, whether we admit it or not.

@SW-User Whatever dude. I see you deleted your posts about the Kamala Harris win. You couldn't predict Christmas on December 25th, you have no credibility here.

@SumKindaMunster So in other words, you think I have valid points, but will deflect anyway. Yes,I deleted them. There was no point keeping them up any more.

@SumKindaMunster I get it but you're referencing discrepancies and the ultimate test of those claims yielded no positive outcomes.

~20M people in a country of 380M were pìssed enough at Trump to vote for Biden, those same people 4 years later weren't excited by Harris's campaign.

It doesn't seem that much of a stretch to me 🤷🏻‍♂

@Elessar Ok, fair enough, thank you.