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"Moderate" Conservatives always end up siding with the Fascists.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@BohemianBabe

Like "moderate" leffties (i.e., the SPD in Germany) ended up siding with fascists in 1919, Boo-Boo ? 🤔

@Thinkerbell Nope.


They opposed the Fascists, the Tankies, and the Monarchs.

Again, not saying I agree with everything they did. I don't even agree with Bernie on everything. But the majority of the German Left was against Authoritarianism in all forms.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@BohemianBabe

Yes, Boo-Boo, that's what they SAID in 1932 (when it was too late), but not what they DID in 1919. 🙄
@Thinkerbell How was it too late in 1932?

What authoritarian thing did they do in 1919? If you're referring to the German Revolution, that led to the Weimar Republic, which was good. It was a liberal government, not leftist, but still better than what they had before.
Well, better for people like me. I know your politics didn't take over Germany until after the Weimar Republic.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@BohemianBabe

"How was it too late in 1932?"

The Great Depression was already well underway, with about 35% unemployment in Germany, The general population had lost confidence in the SPD and its short-lived coalition governments.

"What authoritarian thing did they do in 1919?"

As if you didn't know, Boo-Boo. I explained it to you at length on another thread, but your memory is notoriously short for any facts you don't like.

The Ebert SPD government put down the abortive Spartacist (Marxist-Leninist) revolution with the use of nationalist Freikorps paramilitaries, who summarily shot many communists, including the leaders, Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg, with no questions ever asked by the SPD government, illegal though those shootings were under the "liberal" government.
@Thinkerbell
The Great Depression was already well underway, with about 35% unemployment in Germany, The general population had lost confidence in the SPD and its short-lived coalition governments.

That doesn't mean it was too late. Especially because SPD policies would have increased employment. It wasn't too late until your guys took over.

As if you didn't know, Boo-Boo. I explained it to you at length on another thread, but your memory is notoriously short for any facts you don't like.

No, you said that the SPD fought with the Tankies in the streets. I had to explain to you how that's not authoritarian. I tried to use small words, but you probably still didn't understand because I didn't use any pictures.

The Ebert SPD government put down the abortive Spartacist (Marxist-Leninist) revolution with the use of nationalist Freikorps paramilitaries, who summarily shot many communists, including the leaders, Karl Liebknecht and Rosa Luxemburg, with no questions ever asked by the SPD government, illegal though those shootings were under the "liberal" government.

While I think Ebert went a bit too far, I wouldn't call this authoritarian. He put down a violent uprising, Liebknecht and Luxemburg were basically terrorists, and in order to ensure Germany's Democracy, he had the leaders of an anti-democratic terrorist movement executed. Personally, I would have kept them in prison, but I don't think what he did was wrong.

You seem to be, as usual, quite confused. Ebert didn't have Liebknecht and Luxemburg killed for being Tankies. That would have been authoritarian, since it would be punishing someone for a belief they had. He had them arrested for being terrorists, but included their role in the tankie movement when deciding on what to do with them.

Finally, it wasn't "the SPD government." The Weimar Republic had checks and balances like America. Biden being president doesn't mean the entire government is Democrat. The German government under Ebert was politically mixed and, like any politician, Ebert had to make compromises. If the SPD completely controlled Germany, his actions would have been extremely different as he wouldn't have had to deal with Liberals or Conservatives.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@BohemianBabe

"That doesn't mean it was too late. Especially because SPD policies would have increased employment."

You're wrong yet again, Boo-Boo. 🙄
OF COURSE it was too late for the SPD by the 1932 elections. Their "policies" had had two years since the start of the Great Depression to "increase employment." Instead, unemployment went up from about 10% to about 30%. They had no more chance of staying in power than Herbert Hoover and the Republicans did in the US in 1932.


Unfortunately for Germany, the alternatives weren't as simple as going from the Republicans to the Democrats.
In Germany, the choices were to move to the left or to the right of the SPD. The German populace had seen about 10 years of KPD terror, and the KPD getting about 10% of the vote in national elections (as opposed to the NSDAP's 2 or 3%), so it's not terribly surprising that the middle class moved to the right.

"While I think Ebert went a bit too far, I wouldn't call this authoritarian. He put down a violent uprising, Liebknecht and Luxemburg were basically terrorists, and in order to ensure Germany's Democracy, he had the leaders of an anti-democratic terrorist movement executed. Personally, I would have kept them in prison, but I don't think what he did was wrong."

The SPD used far-right Freikorps paramilitaries to summarily execute Liebknecht and Luxemburg after they were already in custody, and you think that "wasn't wrong," after allowing that it may have been "a bit too far." 🙄

Oh, wait, I forgot... it must have been those "liberals and conservatives" that the SPD had to compromise with. 🤣

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