Dramatic footage shows US strike that obliterated ‘drug-carrying boat’ off Venezuela, killing 11 Tren de Aragua ‘Narcoterrorists’
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samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 them SE Asian island nations dont play around when it comes to drugs .
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AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 I see no problem with democratic countries choosing their own laws
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@AthrillatheHunt you are avoiding my question. that is okay, if y0u are afraid to answer it.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 Were you this aghast when Obama ordered the execution of an American citizen in Yemen, and as collateral damage, his son?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Abdulrahman_al-Awlaki
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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 Fair enough. Not everyone agrees. If this action helps reduce the amount of drugs and crime being imported into the US, I am fine with it.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@SumKindaMunster How about the fact the US has cut back on funding for programs that help prevent people from using drugs? We have tried for over 40 years to eliminate the drugs from the provider side and using law enforcement. That "war on drugs" has not paid off, although yes we don't know how much worse it would be without that entirely, but if we invested in better ways to prevent and mitigate, that would perhaps be more effective.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 Disagree. We've been funding abstinence programs for decades..."Just say no"..."DARE to keep kids off drugs". How much has that helped? Abusing substances for euphoria is a choice. If you know any addicts, you know nothing reaches them, until they decide they want it to.
It's a multi pronged effort. Keeping drugs out of the country in the first place helps reduce overdoses and violent crime.
It's a multi pronged effort. Keeping drugs out of the country in the first place helps reduce overdoses and violent crime.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@SumKindaMunster Those programs have been proved to NOT work. I totally disagree as to the first step, it is not law enforcement, that is probably third step, when all else fails. I have served to some extent on the front lines, in the ER seeing the results of abuse, and working with the DEA in an interactive way. Here are some interestong results from AI enhanced searches.
total paid for war on drugs
Since President Richard Nixon launched the "War on Drugs" in 1971, the U.S. government has spent an estimated over $1 trillion on drug control policies. This figure includes federal, state, and local expenditures on law enforcement, incarceration, and border control.
Annual and cumulative costs
Federal budget: The U.S. federal drug control budget was approximately $39 billion in 2023, with a similar amount requested for 2025. In the mid-2010s, annual federal spending was around $30 billion.
Total federal and state spending: A 2018 report estimated that federal and state governments spent a combined $51 billion annually.
Incarceration costs: In 2015, the federal government spent over $3.3 billion annually to incarcerate people for drug-related offenses, with state governments spending an additional $7 billion.
DEA funding: In fiscal year 2024, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) budget was $3.3 billion.
Allocation of funds
Historically, the majority of the "War on Drugs" budget has been directed toward law enforcement and supply reduction, rather than treatment and prevention.
Law enforcement and incarceration: Since 1971, billions have been spent on enforcing drug laws, including an estimated $450 billion on federal prison incarceration and over $120 billion on arresting non-violent drug offenders.
Foreign efforts: The U.S. has also funded counternarcotics efforts internationally. From 2015–2024, nearly $13 billion was allocated for such activities.
Treatment and prevention: A much smaller portion of the budget is allocated to drug treatment and prevention programs.
Indirect societal costs
Beyond direct government spending, the "War on Drugs" has generated other significant societal costs:
Strained justice and healthcare systems: The U.S. justice system is burdened by a high number of drug-related arrests, while the healthcare system manages the consequences of drug abuse, including overdoses.
Lost productivity: The incarceration of millions of people for drug offenses has led to a major loss of productivity.
Economic disruption: Drug enforcement efforts have also been linked to economic destabilization in other countries.
total paid for prevention of drug abuse
Determining the total amount paid for drug abuse prevention is challenging because it is funded by different government departments, non-profits, and private entities, and official statistics often combine prevention, treatment, and law enforcement budgets. However, the 2025 US federal budget requested $2.9 billion for drug prevention.
This figure reflects only a portion of the total money spent on prevention in the US, and it does not include state or international spending.
US federal spending on drug control
While not specific to prevention, the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) oversees a broad federal drug control budget that includes prevention, treatment, and law enforcement.
FY 2025 budget: A total of over $44 billion is coordinated across 19 federal agencies for drug control.
FY 2025 prevention request: The budget includes a request for $2.9 billion specifically for prevention, which is a net increase of $85.2 million over the FY 2024 level.
Prevention vs. total drug control spending
Spending on prevention remains a small fraction of overall drug control efforts.
A 2012 study by the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse estimated that only two cents of every dollar spent by federal, state, and local governments was for prevention and treatment, with the vast majority going to cope with the consequences of abuse.
A 2018 analysis noted that the federal share of spending on drug abuse prevention had declined by 52% since 2008, even as the overall drug control budget increased significantly.
Global spending and cost-effectiveness
Information on total global prevention spending is not consistently tracked or available, but organizations emphasize the cost-effectiveness of prevention programs.
UN International Narcotics Control Board (INCB): In its 2013 annual report, the INCB stated that every dollar spent on prevention can save governments up to $10 in later costs related to healthcare and crime.
Aid for international drug control: In the decade from 2012 to 2021, wealthy governments spent nearly $1 billion from their aid budgets on international "narcotics control" activities, which include some prevention efforts but primarily focus on supply reduction.
total paid for war on drugs
Since President Richard Nixon launched the "War on Drugs" in 1971, the U.S. government has spent an estimated over $1 trillion on drug control policies. This figure includes federal, state, and local expenditures on law enforcement, incarceration, and border control.
Annual and cumulative costs
Federal budget: The U.S. federal drug control budget was approximately $39 billion in 2023, with a similar amount requested for 2025. In the mid-2010s, annual federal spending was around $30 billion.
Total federal and state spending: A 2018 report estimated that federal and state governments spent a combined $51 billion annually.
Incarceration costs: In 2015, the federal government spent over $3.3 billion annually to incarcerate people for drug-related offenses, with state governments spending an additional $7 billion.
DEA funding: In fiscal year 2024, the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) budget was $3.3 billion.
Allocation of funds
Historically, the majority of the "War on Drugs" budget has been directed toward law enforcement and supply reduction, rather than treatment and prevention.
Law enforcement and incarceration: Since 1971, billions have been spent on enforcing drug laws, including an estimated $450 billion on federal prison incarceration and over $120 billion on arresting non-violent drug offenders.
Foreign efforts: The U.S. has also funded counternarcotics efforts internationally. From 2015–2024, nearly $13 billion was allocated for such activities.
Treatment and prevention: A much smaller portion of the budget is allocated to drug treatment and prevention programs.
Indirect societal costs
Beyond direct government spending, the "War on Drugs" has generated other significant societal costs:
Strained justice and healthcare systems: The U.S. justice system is burdened by a high number of drug-related arrests, while the healthcare system manages the consequences of drug abuse, including overdoses.
Lost productivity: The incarceration of millions of people for drug offenses has led to a major loss of productivity.
Economic disruption: Drug enforcement efforts have also been linked to economic destabilization in other countries.
total paid for prevention of drug abuse
Determining the total amount paid for drug abuse prevention is challenging because it is funded by different government departments, non-profits, and private entities, and official statistics often combine prevention, treatment, and law enforcement budgets. However, the 2025 US federal budget requested $2.9 billion for drug prevention.
This figure reflects only a portion of the total money spent on prevention in the US, and it does not include state or international spending.
US federal spending on drug control
While not specific to prevention, the Office of National Drug Control Policy (ONDCP) oversees a broad federal drug control budget that includes prevention, treatment, and law enforcement.
FY 2025 budget: A total of over $44 billion is coordinated across 19 federal agencies for drug control.
FY 2025 prevention request: The budget includes a request for $2.9 billion specifically for prevention, which is a net increase of $85.2 million over the FY 2024 level.
Prevention vs. total drug control spending
Spending on prevention remains a small fraction of overall drug control efforts.
A 2012 study by the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse estimated that only two cents of every dollar spent by federal, state, and local governments was for prevention and treatment, with the vast majority going to cope with the consequences of abuse.
A 2018 analysis noted that the federal share of spending on drug abuse prevention had declined by 52% since 2008, even as the overall drug control budget increased significantly.
Global spending and cost-effectiveness
Information on total global prevention spending is not consistently tracked or available, but organizations emphasize the cost-effectiveness of prevention programs.
UN International Narcotics Control Board (INCB): In its 2013 annual report, the INCB stated that every dollar spent on prevention can save governments up to $10 in later costs related to healthcare and crime.
Aid for international drug control: In the decade from 2012 to 2021, wealthy governments spent nearly $1 billion from their aid budgets on international "narcotics control" activities, which include some prevention efforts but primarily focus on supply reduction.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 Thanks. When I stated "in the first place", I did not mean this is the best first step. Rather, all things being equal, I support the repression of drug cartels bringing in illegal drugs to America. Less drugs, less overdoses, and more American lives saved.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@SumKindaMunster I won't argue as to supporting those efforts, but not by summarily executing individuals. There is now evidence that whoever was on the boat, and for what reason, it had already turned back towards shore when it was attacked by the US and all perished. As i previously stated I worked wirh the DEA in attempts to keep drugs off of the streets. I was part of the team that looked into a fentanyl ourbreak in 2006 and warned that more was coming.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 Your interpretation of the event is partisan. I don't agree with it.
Thank you for your service. It's not a particularly clever insight to state that a new opioid drug would increase in use once it's introduced to the black market.
Thank you for your service. It's not a particularly clever insight to state that a new opioid drug would increase in use once it's introduced to the black market.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@SumKindaMunster partisan, how do you interpret it in any other fashion? Even MAGA support the blowing up of the boat and people on it, admit there is no report of evidence of drugs on board. No trial, not even any court order to intervene.
Thanks for denigrating my work with the DEA and our efforts to warn of the impending repeat of a fentanyl epidemic. By the way, you might be interested in looking at the outbreaks in the 1990s.
Thanks for denigrating my work with the DEA and our efforts to warn of the impending repeat of a fentanyl epidemic. By the way, you might be interested in looking at the outbreaks in the 1990s.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@samueltyler2 You're welcome.