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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@bijouxbroussard At last, an intelligent question:
It all boils down to influence. Keep up with me here, because I am going to use examples that bounce around a little. First of all lets go global. American did wonderful things in WW2 and post WW2 with the Marshall Plan, to rebuild nations and economies. In doing so they make clones of US manufacturing and capitalist consumer systems in Germany and Japan. Fast forward to today, where the internal failure of America to maintain its own competitive industries (using the automotive market as an example) and keep quality up means that Japan and Germany outsell US made cars in their own market and hardly export any numbers of vehicles to other countries at all. In foreign affaris for the sake of cheap oil the US set up a puppet regime in Iran under the Shah, with brutal and corrupt policies to keep the oil flowing, which in the end promoted the rebellion that allowed the Theocratic regime to take hold, take over and create a deed distrust and hatred for the US in the region. Do I need to mention how Saddam Hussein was at one time a friend of America? How about that the 9/11 hijackers were all in fact Saudi Arabians, as was Osma Bin Ladin. Now Saudi Arabia, one of the most repressive regimes and a funder of terror is still agreat friend of America. And I get that this is a long bow to draw. But here is the thing. America has been massively dependent on oil....Middle eastern oil. And has been terribly slow to innovate to reduce that dependence, just for the sake of profit and big cars. So they need to stay cap in hand to all these people, who will turn on them as soon as it suits them. (Watch this space for further developments to break up the Petrodollar within a year)
So in short, the short term thinking of American engagement overseas has disrupted the middle East, and will bounce back and bite Americans on the @$$ quite soon..
Now given a thousand words I can make the same case for the environment globally, food security regionally, particularly in developing countries and global peace, with America being set up to tackle small less able opponents in spot fires globally. But having to rely in a world ending nuclear deterant against anothe major power. To be blunt, American defence policy helped create an aggressive China..😷
It all boils down to influence. Keep up with me here, because I am going to use examples that bounce around a little. First of all lets go global. American did wonderful things in WW2 and post WW2 with the Marshall Plan, to rebuild nations and economies. In doing so they make clones of US manufacturing and capitalist consumer systems in Germany and Japan. Fast forward to today, where the internal failure of America to maintain its own competitive industries (using the automotive market as an example) and keep quality up means that Japan and Germany outsell US made cars in their own market and hardly export any numbers of vehicles to other countries at all. In foreign affaris for the sake of cheap oil the US set up a puppet regime in Iran under the Shah, with brutal and corrupt policies to keep the oil flowing, which in the end promoted the rebellion that allowed the Theocratic regime to take hold, take over and create a deed distrust and hatred for the US in the region. Do I need to mention how Saddam Hussein was at one time a friend of America? How about that the 9/11 hijackers were all in fact Saudi Arabians, as was Osma Bin Ladin. Now Saudi Arabia, one of the most repressive regimes and a funder of terror is still agreat friend of America. And I get that this is a long bow to draw. But here is the thing. America has been massively dependent on oil....Middle eastern oil. And has been terribly slow to innovate to reduce that dependence, just for the sake of profit and big cars. So they need to stay cap in hand to all these people, who will turn on them as soon as it suits them. (Watch this space for further developments to break up the Petrodollar within a year)
So in short, the short term thinking of American engagement overseas has disrupted the middle East, and will bounce back and bite Americans on the @$$ quite soon..
Now given a thousand words I can make the same case for the environment globally, food security regionally, particularly in developing countries and global peace, with America being set up to tackle small less able opponents in spot fires globally. But having to rely in a world ending nuclear deterant against anothe major power. To be blunt, American defence policy helped create an aggressive China..😷
AdaXI · 41-45, T
@whowasthatmaskedman The thing is the reason these countries have all these brutal regimes is because it keeps them under educated and under industrialised so they've no reason to keep the oil for themselves. Like if we actually helped to put sensible governments in these places then they'd be making industry undercutting other countries and the next thing you've got 'made in Iran' or what ever printed on the bottom of all your cheap electronic appliances and not only is there then another huge competitor on the scene but there oil demand would go up and they'd no longer be selling it to America or the rest of the 1st world.
I mean I'm not disputing what you are talking about in anyway shape or form although I don't blame America solely for this one it's just a 1st world protectionism thing because if we allowed Africa and Middle East or where ever to become super powers you just got less and less resources the price of oil sky rockets as the demand goes up and when you're at the top of the food chain any new markets are just taking away the business from your market. So it's double edged sword on this one because if our standards of living went down because of all these other countries standards went up we'd all be moaning to f%k about it, lolz.
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I mean I'm not disputing what you are talking about in anyway shape or form although I don't blame America solely for this one it's just a 1st world protectionism thing because if we allowed Africa and Middle East or where ever to become super powers you just got less and less resources the price of oil sky rockets as the demand goes up and when you're at the top of the food chain any new markets are just taking away the business from your market. So it's double edged sword on this one because if our standards of living went down because of all these other countries standards went up we'd all be moaning to f%k about it, lolz.
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@AdaXI I agree with all of this.. Maybe I am an idealist for hoping that the world leader (as America was) that seriously won WW2 and rebuild and modernized Germany and Japan and built ideas like Total Quality Management into their industries might have kepy up the good work and not stooped to becoming the worlds Carpetbagger..😷
AdaXI · 41-45, T
@whowasthatmaskedman Yeah of course I understand my friend and I don't mean to sound cold but you can see what I'm trying to say how we benefit from the situation and yeah sure if the world was managed correctly and all the resources were disrupted accordingly there would be easily enough to go around probably a couple of times over like I probably throw away enough food in a week to keep somebody alive in another country, so it's fucked up how privileged we are in 1st world countries without even realising it.
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whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@AdaXI America put in a lot in money and human lives early on.. And that entitles them. But for decades now America has been building up debt to many nations and frankly ripping them off. To the point they will rebel. Other nationa like China and soon India will take over in world trade and economics. Thats a numbers game.😷