How close do you think we are to WWIII?

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow "There'll be nuclear war if weapons are sent to Ukraine"

Weapons have been sent. No nuclear war.

"The world will end if 50%+ people take the COVID vaccines, mass deaths will follow"

I'm here

"The world will end if Trump doesn't win in 2018/2020/2022/2024"

Still here

@Elessar The first one is a red line made up by western media.

Nobody was going to start a nuclear war over weapons in Ukraine especially when Russia is winning.

The other two are not even worth responding to.

But this is very different.

The missiles the British were talking about need American targeting data and American ground mapping information to be loaded into the missile by American military personnel by law.

Without that they are not hitting anything.

So that makes the US directly a party to the conflict. No more fig leaves and proxy bs.

Second. The European f 16s now in Ukraine are all equipped to drop B61 tactical nuclear bombs.

Strikes like what Starmer was suggesting is also exactly what you would do before dropping a tactical nuke.


So yes. This was way more serious and would trigger Russian strategic doctrine as it has been laid out for probably decades at this point.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Bro I literally said their own national TV saying they would've nuked us if weapons were sent, with even infographics showing the trajectories of the missiles that would've hit London, Paris and Berlin.

Also I've seen them freaking out and throwing tantrums and listing us as an "unfriendly country" the moment we've seized a couple of yatches 😆💀

Go figure, how serious can be the threat of "nuclear war" from a bunch of spoiled rich fùcks who are freaking out at the idea of losing their holiday boats 😆

@Elessar So? By that logic Tucker Carlson or Rachel Maddow set US foreign policy. Talking heads on TV are irrelevant.


And I mean sure. Theft on behalf of other nations is not a great way to make friends. Just saying.


And again. This is the one and only time this has brushed up against official Russian MOD nuclear doctrine.

You can pretend otherwise if you want.

This time apparently the Russians responded by sending an FYI list of European and US cities that would be self lighting glass parking lots if this went ahead.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow There's a video released at the very beginning of the war where Putin himself not so veiledly threatens with nukes lol

We can return the boats when they'll return the land to Ukraine. 🤷🏻‍♂

By the time they'll find a Sarmat that can actually deliver the payload and doesn't dig a crater around the launch site, the glass parking lot will be inaugurated between Moscow and Petersburg.

@Elessar Pointing out the danger of escalation between nuclear powers is not a threat. Even though 100% of western claims of Russian threats are exactly that.


Meanwhile the US is trying to fast track and ICBM but apparently that is what? A peace offering?


Not going to happen. And does Italy seize private property from 1/3 of the nations on earth? Or just the ones that fit cold war narratives.

Because the US has 1/3 of all nations under some form of sanctions.


Dude. The US and "NATO" bombs are basically 1950s gravity bombs.

The west has not even designed an ICBM since the 70s.

It is insane that you would hinge the survival of the entire globe on cold war cliches.

@Elessar That Sarmat you dismiss out of hand is brand new. The newest ICBM in the US was commissioned before my grandfather retired in the 80s.

The US spends billions just so they don't blow up in their silos.

@Elessar Another fun fact. The NATO nuclear weapons sharing program is a direct violation of the NPT. But I guess it is only bad when others do it.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow There was no need to point that out because nobody was threatening them, let alone of nuclear war.

Just the ones that threaten our security, that violate international law, that unprovokedly attack allies for the sake of a war of expansion.

Are you going to cry because a couple of billionaire warlords are losing their yatches? And you call yourself leftwing? 🥴

And Russia, China the remaining 2/3. So?

Because US/NATO doesn't have a credibility issue where brand new weapons have to be announced and parades in the capital city once every year? Ukraine with 1/10 of Russia's military budget has kept their "three days operation" stalled for over three years just by using old scrap from the Iraq days.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow International law doesn't bind the US, doesn't bind Russia, and doesn't bind China. Nothing new under the sun. I'll turn your question: is it a problem only when the US does it? Russia, Iran and NK have exchanged quite a lot recently

@Elessar It is absolutely necessary. Anyone who doesn't understand that doesn't understand what MAD means.


So you are sanctioning Washington?


Pretending sanctions are about taking boats from billionaires is not cute. At least Madeline Albright was honest that sanctions are about weaponizing poverty.


I am pointing out Italy participating in the sanctions is just a good pet performing for the Americans.


Yeah. The only reason why it was not over in 3 weeks is because the US got Zelensky to go to war with Russia to fight to the very last Ukrainian. Which he seems to be doing very loyally.


Iraq. You mean the country the US and NATO invaded multiple times for resource extraction?

But suddenly they are the heroes of the western "anti war" left now.

@Elessar Equating the two is a false equivalence. But the false equivalence needs to stand to make sure NATO doesn't stop until the stars and stripes control everything to Vladivostok.

@Elessar It is also curious to hear you talk about "allies" when you live in an occupied country.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow And we all knew about MAD already so threatening out of the blue before launching an invasion was both unprovoked and unnecessarily inflammatory.

I haven't seen Washington threatening us once every two weeks with nukes if we don't let them pillage around and expand their territory.

I'm speaking about seizing yatches and you're evading to speak about sanctions. Again, a country that threatens nuclear war but then gets pissy because a couple of luxury boats they have abroad get confiscated, while they're stalled/losing against a country that has not even 1/10 of their military budget allocation has no credibility whatsoever.

I'll tell you more, EU's sanctions should be even more severe, considering the proximity and greater danger we're exposed to.

So your argument is that, had they bended 90°, the war would've been over? Lmao, then even San Marino would be a military superpower, if we make the assumption that the defender should not fight back 🤣🤣

I've never defended the Iraq war, and situations can mutate, plus there's always the good ol' "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" effect. You're okay with Russia doing to Ukraine what the US did to Iraq, and you support a modern fascist Russian state in spite of being allegedly a leftwinger.

In case you didn't get the memo, Russia is farther from the USSR on the left/right political axis than even the USA ever was. The one showing some dissonance here ain't me.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Occupied, where? A couple of military bases? I don't think you have the concept of "occupation" clear in your mind.

Virtually the totality of us don't give a flying f*ck about those bases. Rather, if you told people that we'd have to pay more taxes in order to operate those bases ourselves I can assure you that 8 people out of 10 would march on the streets asking the Americans to come back lmao

@Elessar Right. Because those bases are there because the Americans asked nicely and they would totally leave if asked. Ask the Okinawans how that has been working out for them for 80 years.


Ironically you live in the model for modern American colonization of Europe. You live in the "success story".

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Would it matter, if we have no problems with those bases in the first place?

For the Ukrainians it's going much worse, for saying. If you want to look at an actual occupation.

@Elessar Again you are dutifully pretending pointing out caution is threats.

I guess you are not old enough to know what 99 Red Balloons was inspired by.


For your second point see my first response because it is the same fallacy,

Last I checked. Russia doesn't have t-95s or T 160 bombers in Mexico asking for permission to launch Iskanders into Virginia.

With the F 16s which were modified to carry nukes when they were in NATO service are now a few hundred miles from the Russian border and the British PM was asking to do what is step one in a first strike plan.

It would be criminal negligence bordering on treason to not take it as such.

And that goes for any country.


And as for sanctions. So I see you now support collective punishment. Interesting.


I am saying we know a peace deal was all but signed 3 weeks in. The US government and the brits convinced Zelensky to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

Not that he cares. Like Sakashvili he will be airlifted to the US when his job is done. He already has the villa in Miami, Florida.


I am not the one cheerleading NATO and American colonization of Europe the minute there are actual states involved.

And I know Russia is not the USSR.

But I also understand it is not okay to use a country as an enemy staging ground and expect no consequences.

Oh and only one country involved in this has official defense policy stating global world domination is the goal for 20 years and the is the US DOD.

So the enemy of my enemy and all.

@Elessar Well. Of course it is going to go worse when you offer to be the staging ground for a proxy war against a nation with 10 times your military power.

Do you really think it would go any better if someone egged Hawaiians and Puerto Rico to fight to the death against the USA?

@Elessar Just because Italians have been occupied long enough to just accept the status quo doesn't mean it is not occupation.

And again. Ask Okinawans how well trying to change that is working for them.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Telling the world amid a crisis that if anyone interfered with their expansionist plan they would've been nuked isn't spreading caution, but threatening and undermining world security.

Perhaps because the US hasn't invaded Mexico and consequently Mexico didn't ask Russia to help. Similarly, hadn't Russia invaded there wouldn't be those F-16s in Ukraine now.

Invading an entire country just for the sake of the whims of the delusional leader of another is also a form of collective punishment. Russians are free to overthrow their government (since democratically electing him out doesn't seem an option), end the war, and the sanctions will be removed.

You seen to ignore the distinction between peace and surrender. Conceding Putin the land he demands isn't "peace". If I come in your house, take your TV, money and car keys, and force you at gunpoint to sign a document where you state it's all mine, would you call it "making peace"?

As I stated, American bases in Europe aren't unpopular with most people. You don't have the concept of "occupation" or "invasion" clear in your mind if you truly believe that having a few bases in another country, with the mutual approval of that country, is the same as deploying your army and taking chunks of it with force.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I've known several people who lived through WW2 and the post war reconstruction. Even communists, like my grand grand father. Not even them would tell you that American bases were ever controversial or unpopular.

(And certainly, they won't tell you we are occupied)

@Elessar Here is something to consider. Italians likely don't complain because they know it will not matter. American service personnel can literally murder Italian citizens and nothing will be done about it thanks to status of forces agreements.

I know this because it has already happened.

Look up strage del Cermis

American military personnel can kill 20 Italians and get 6 months in an American stockade.


Short of your own Castro nothing will change.