Iraq, Syria, Iran, Russia, Ukraine, Korea - everyone must be so grateful for the weapons and help in all the wars.

@newjaninev2 no, all I see is readiness for more war - that's not likely to stop the killing. Nobody can talk you into peace! And you certainly win. War is back.

@Roundandroundwego Maybe there are good reasons to go to war. ... War also never went away.

@Kwek00 resolving conflicts only stops the wars. You only justify them, never try to avoid or stop one. Western values.

@Roundandroundwego Violence and bloodshed, can still lead to resolutions.

In the west, there are enough people that use violence only as a last resolrt. And softpower is way more in use then hardpower. But believing that every conflict can be solved, without violence is a pipedream.

@Kwek00 no, it's the general expectation of most people that war will not be used in the future. Americans really don't want that, but that's just their problem. Of course it enrages them.

@Roundandroundwego well, I'm sorry, but "the general expectation of most people" ... the "most people" here, must be a bunch of really priveleged little snowflakes to hold that opinion.

@Kwek00 no, outside the West war isn't legal and the UN isn't a joke, peace isn't just an option but a responsibility and NATO isn't right, it's evil. The West is increasingly isolated. Of course you have utter contempt for the seven billion people you called snowflakes. Of course you dismissed us and maybe you will kill us all. Don't make you right.

@Roundandroundwego do you understand that NATO is a defensive organisation?

It's there to protect member states from gangster states like the one that has been murdering Ukrainians for the last ten years.

That why gangster states don't like it.

@newjaninev2 nobody rational thinks NATO is not aggressive. But I understand that peace is impossible because anti war and leftist people are totally ostracized throughout the war loving West. You probably think you have a right to make me say aggression is defense, since you live where only liars get heard - the west.
With you on my planet we will never experience peace. Without you we might.

@Roundandroundwego How is war not legal, if the UN isn't a joke? Even the UN allows armed conflict as a defensive measure (even preemptive strikes against imminent attacks) or when the UN authorizes armed conflict. For as far as I'm aware, that's only between countries. Some of the conflicts in your lists, are actually internal issues. Like the civil war in Syria.

I have a some contempt for people that put "peace" in the center of their thinking while ignoring the reasons why these people fight. If you live in a sheltered enviorment with somewhat of a stable country, then "peace" is really great. Man, if only those people weren't dieing on my news feed everyday, I would feel so much better because I care etc... But what if you are one of those people who is getting bullied by an authoritarian megalomaniac? What if your excistence just gets denied or you are treated as a second class citizen on a daily basis? I guess, if only they didn't start fighting, all those peaceful loving "most people" would feel a bit better in their lifes.

@Kwek00 yes we understand you cannot accept the possibility of a war free future, where Americans can't rule with might. Nobody thinks you would agree or submit - that's why we probably can't survive you. NATO would kill us all to prevent a peaceful multi polar world and Americans accept that, work for it and believe it's destiny for them to finally end the world if humanity won't submit. Peace is off the table. America or peace,? Which one will be excised from my world?

@Roundandroundwego I can accept that... if that was possible. In 2024, it's not a possibility. Rofl, a "peaceful multi-polar world", this can only come from someone dogmatically hooked on the idea that human beings are inherently a good bunch of creatures. Sadly, there is nothing to support that idea.

@Kwek00 yes, that's the new view of the West, peace isn't your responsibility, you don't have agreement's that bind you to it, despite the agreements existing. Nobody can trust the West, humanity will have to solve the west to have peace. And we will.

@Roundandroundwego Do you think that you are a puppeteer? Which can sway the hearts and minds of others that have other priorities then "peace" at all costs? And that other concept that you are constantly invoking called "the west", that concept seems to do a lot of heavy lifting to make something complex easy and digestable for you.