CNN has published “A Sneak Peak Into Gaza”

@Bumbles Sorry. I disagree. Isreal is just as guilty, if not more so.

There are atrocities on [b]both sides. Time to occupy Gaza and Israel with UN troops.[/b]

Make [b]all of these war criminals on both sides pay.[/b]

And for God’s sake—get some relief to the innocent Palestinians that the Israeli government is literally trying to exterminate!

@Bumbles the war has been going on for 80 years. At some point someone will figure out that fighting wont bring peace or safety.

@trollslayer Hamas’ goal is to kill every Jew in Palestine. I don’t think they are interested in peace.

@KunsanVeteran If Israel is trying to kill every Gazan, they are not doing a very good job.

@Bumbles they are doing a better job than Hamas. https://www.statista.com/chart/amp/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/

@trollslayer No one argues Israel shouldn’t eliminate Hamas, and no one defends Hamas for murdering and raping Jews. It’s a false equivalency.

@Bumbles you are saying your statements above are a false equivalency?

@trollslayer No, that Hamas and Israel are.

@Bumbles you were the one that made the comparison.

@trollslayer I said Hamas must end and then you replied about both sides. I responded to that.

@Bumbles hamas is trying to kill every jew, then, if israel is trying to kill every gazan.., is that not the false equivalency?

@Bumbles The only person who is not interested in peace is Netanyahu. He has categorically stated that there will be no ceasefire, despite apparent progress in the hostage negotiations. Also, the ICJ is about to rule that Israel is committing genocide. Which we knew.

The Israeli government must be toppled, and a new progressive administration sworn in. Then there is at least a chance of peace.

@SW-User I agree that the first tangible step on the path to peace is to topple Netanyahu and bring him to Justice. That could be done immediately.

@SW-User I think Bibi needs to go, but also don’t support a cease fire. Israel has the right to seek and destroy Hamas.

@trollslayer Israel isn’t trying to kill every Gazan. That’s silly.

@Bumbles [quote] Israel has the right to seek and destroy Hamas.[/quote]

No it doesn't.

Or, if you want to accept that, then Hamas has the right to seek and destroy every Israeli.

@SW-User We will need to agree to disagree as you don’t object to Hamas’ Oct 7 attack. Not such a minority opinion, although few admit it.

@Bumbles I never said I didn't object to the Hamas attack. I condemn it. Utterly.

However, the Israelis are committing genocide in the name of "self-defence". Worse still, by refusing to pressure Israel into ceasing its genocide, Biden now risks dragging us into another open-ended war with the Houthis in Yemen , and maybe Iran as well.

@Bumbles There are atrocities and war crimes [b]on both sides. [/b] There are certain internationally agreed upon concepts to limit collateral damages and civilian casualties. Among those are: proportionality, avoiding civilian casualties, off limits targets such as hospitals/refugee camps, humane treatment of prisoners, etc.

Both sides have violated these principles—intentionally.

@SW-User You can’t logically condemn the Hamas attack and maintain Israel has no right to go after Hamas. If you want to object to Israel’s tactics or strategy that is a different matter.

A cease fire would mean Israel allows Hamas to continue and rebuild. That will never happen regardless of what an American president says or does. That will never happen even if Bibi goes and a moderate is elected.

@KunsanVeteran I don’t think there is any moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel. What Hamas did is not a war crime. They are not a nation. They are a genocidal terrorist organization whose only aim is to kill every Jew in Israel. There would be no invasion of Gaza absent what Hamas did.

@Bumbles bullshit.

@Bumbles the trouble is, you see, that Israel does not discriminate between Hamas and the Palestinian people. It is more convenient for them to believe that everyone in Gaza is Hamas. And if they continue to believe this, then eventually, every single Gazan will either be killed or driven out of Gaza into the hands of the military junta in Egypt. Then Israel will continue its bulldozing of West Bank settlements, and that will be the end of Palestine. Peace will then return (except for hezbollah, the houthis, Iran, etc.)

Right?

@SW-User IDF is under marching orders to suspect everyone in Gaza as a potential terrorist, and if they aren't holding a gun, they could be in the future. This is not just a rumor - it is confirmed. I am sure most of IDF is using discretion, but I am sure many of them aren't. How am I sure? Well, in every single war some soldiers go to extremes. I see no reason why IDF would be any different, and there is plenty of evidence to suggest that is true.

US servicemen in Vietnam were under orders to suspect everyone in the combat zone as potential VietCong under the reasoning that they don't always wear uniforms and hide in villages. Result? Some US Army divisions went apeshit and massacred, mutilated, and raped civilians with little remorse because they were trained that all were the enemy.

IDF can claim all they want that they are trying to limit civilian casualties, but I think those who have had an honest look at history know better. It may be true that they arent "Intentionally targeting civilians". But it sure seems like they don't care if civilians happen to be in the way.

@Bumbles 25k and counting....not for lack of effort.