NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg says the war is NATO's fault

@JSul3 wrong but carry on. You are not likely to change your mind despite mountains of evidence to the contrary.

@hippyjoe1955 Ah....the great speaker of 'truth' has now appeared from under his rock.

@JSul3 looking in the mirror? Time for you to wake up to the propaganda you have been fed. Putin did not invade Ukraine. He is acting to protect the regions that voted to be Russian.

@hippyjoe1955 Those 'areas/people' that voted to 'be Russian' can move to Russia.

@JSul3 The land is their ancestral home. Their families have been there for centuries even as the nation states have waxed and waned,

@hippyjoe1955 They reside in Ukraine....not Russia.
Love Russia? Move there.

@JSul3 The border has moved many many times but the people are still there. So my grandmother's Cree nation lived in Eastern Alberta. They were happy Cree until they found out that they were suddenly British subjects. Then they became Canadian, So when they became Canadian and wanted to remain British they should have moved to England?

@JSul3 @hippyjoe1955 Nothing about people speaking Russian in Ukraine justified Russia’s slow moving then rapid invasion. Putin doesn’t think Ukraine should exist. Period.

@Bumbles if the majority of a people want to switch nations or become independent then that is what happens. The East part of Ukraine voted to leave Ukraine. That does not give Ukraine the right to kill those who voted to leave. Ukraine has killed over 14,000 people in the breakaway regions. The killing started in 2014.

@hippyjoe1955 By your logic you support Ukraine’s independence. Glad to hear it.

@Bumbles Have I ever said otherwise? I am simply pointing out that Ukraine by trying to join NATO and NATO trying to integrate Ukraine is foolish in the extreme. Ukrainian neutrality like Austria and Switzerland makes much more sense than joining a faltering organization such as is NATO.

@hippyjoe1955. Nothing you are saying would ever convince me Putin invading Ukraine was Ukraine’s fault. Sorry.

@Bumbles Putin has not invaded Ukraine. If he had Kiev would be occupied. Putin moved to protect the regions that want to be Russian. Sadly Ukraine is likely to lose its access to the Black Sea since Odessa is also Russian in ethnicity. This is not a good thing for Ukraine or the US or NATO. They are being humiliated.

@hippyjoe1955 [quote] Putin has not invaded Ukraine. If he had Kiev would be occupied[/quote]

Okay, well, there ya’ go. Enjoy the rest of your day..

@JSul3 Which no country cared about when he annexed the Crimera which was part of the Ukraine, they ONLY cared when he went into Ukraine fully, so what was the difference ?

@milkymum1 There was quite an uproar over Putin taking Crimea.
How quickly you forget. It was condemned.

On 21 February 2014, Yanukovych fled Ukraine via Crimea to Russia. The following day, the Ukrainian parliament voted to remove him from his post. Just a few weeks later on the 27 February, groups of armed masked soldiers without insignias appeared on the streets of Crimea. They became known as the little green men. The soldiers surrounded the airports in Simferopol and Sevastopol, and most military bases in Crimea and later seized key government buildings. A referendum was held within Crimea on 16 March. The results apparently indicated that 95.5% of voters were in favour of joining Russia. But the vote was condemned by the EU as illegal and illegitimate, asserting that its outcome would not be recognised.

A few days later, Putin signed a treaty, incorporating Crimea into the Russian Federation. Ukraine evacuated some 25 thousand military personnel and their families from Crimea. The US and the EU were quick to condemn the invasion. Sanctions were put in place including asset freezes and travel bans on Russian officials.

The G8 summit that was to be held in Russia that year was cancelled, and Russia’s membership with the group was suspended. But the restrictions made little change to Putin’s agenda.