Democracy is a millipede, and communism is a bee hive.

So, why is democracy a free society and communism is not?

Would you rather be a leg on a millipede moving back and forth as told by the US elite, or a bee in a hive working together with other bees for the welfare of China?

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plungesponge · 41-45, M

Let's just pause to reflect: today's biggest democracies are countries where you can cast votes to decide which candidate you'd like to screw over the middle class, and you can do whatever you like as long as you indebt yourself and your children to a central bank.

People speak of democracy and communism like they are polar opposites. It's worth remembering that democracy and authoritarianism flow from one state to the other, from democracy comes chaos, then populism, then autocracy and communism, then wealth and freedom and democracy again

sree251 · 41-45, M

@plungesponge

People speak of democracy and communism like they are polar opposites. It's worth remembering that democracy and authoritarianism flow from one state to the other, from democracy comes chaos, then populism, then autocracy and communism, then wealth and freedom and democracy again

Can you unpack what you said? Please clarify. I agree with your statement in bold above.

plungesponge · 41-45, M

@sree251 Ask away if you have a question. Unpacking depends on which part you don't understand.

It already looks to me like you missed a part. Wasn't your question based on the assumption that democracy and communism are opposites?

sree251 · 41-45, M

@plungesponge

Wasn't your question based on the assumption that democracy and communism are opposites?

Not opposites but different. We live under the impression that there is such a thing as suffrage ( the right to vote) as though it means power resides in the individual to determine the kind of society one wants. The individual has no power, period. Whatever the social system, the individual is just a cog in the wheel. Democracy is not the best system of government but it is less ordered than socialism (or communism). The individual is self-indulgent in nature.

plungesponge · 41-45, M

The individual has no power, period. Whatever the social system, the individual is just a cog in the wheel.

Great, so you agree with the idea that "you can do whatever you like as long as you indebt yourself and your children to a central bank."

Democracy is not the best system of government but it is less ordered than socialism (or communism). The individual is self-indulgent in nature.

Great, so you agree with the idea that "from democracy comes chaos"

The only part I think I need to address is the attempt to compare democracy and communism. They aren't really in the same category to be compared. One is about everyone in society having an equal vote (something that doesn't exist in any country btw, and the founders of the United States warned would lead to disaster), and the other is about the economic distribution of goods by a central power. Democracy would be better compared to autocracy, and communism better compared to capitalism.

I notice in your reply that you believe both democracy and communism fail because ultimately the individual is selfish. I agree. The good news may be that we wind up with a society run by open source AI. Just the principles and rules, no greed.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@plungesponge

The good news may be that we wind up with a society run by open source AI. Just the principles and rules, no greed.

You raised many good points worthy of comment and discussion; however, I want to zoom right into this one first. AI is great for management of determinate systems. You and I are are not only complex but indeterminate. Science define us as biological organisms. The body, in a sense, is; however, we are much more than the body.

What are we? Thinking machines? At the basic level, the human mind uses language that runs on deductive logic. This is the way we reason in the acquisition of knowledge. Without language, we can't think. Intelligence is something else, it is not mechanical and much more than reason which is mechanical.

There is a part of us, a vital part that is mysterious and indefinable.

sree251 · 41-45, M

@plungesponge

Great, so you agree with the idea that "from democracy comes chaos"

What do you mean? Democracy is a plan for organizing the way we (Americans) live. It is based on the assumption that we are determinate human digits with known needs. The plan did not factor in the need of the organization itself: the nation called the USA. If the USA wants war (chaos), Americans must die for the organization.

First of all, we are not human digits (Americans). How is it that we must die for a non-existent virtual entity called the USA?

sree251 · 41-45, M

@plungesponge

Great, so you agree with the idea that "you can do whatever you like as long as you indebt yourself and your children to a central bank."

Not sure what you are saying here. We need money to live on and there is no way around that. Also, we live within the infrastructural, power, and communications grid. Money (i.e central bank) is indeed the engine of the social system. I realized that a long time ago and that is why I have no family and live alone to minimize my dependency on the system. Even then, it is not possible to escape from the system unless I give up the world of Caesar and live with God like an ape in the forest.