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The more I'm learning about how ancient societies treated their laborers the more I'm starting to think we gone backwards

I'm not saying there wasn't inequality, there was lots of war crimes, sacrifices or political slavery for sure. I'm sure there was inequality as well, even though they didn't have a word for those things. It was likely uncommon if you weren't part of construction on something or in an army to get fed like this maybe.

But at the same time, I learned for instance that the pyramid builders had a minimum of 3,000 calories per day. They weren't really paid with money but with nice food and gifts. The Ayssiran army had a minimum of 2,000 calories daily, filled with rich meat and pita breads, cheese and dried fruits. They were known for hiring large cooks and feasts.

But to be honest, if you look at what we serve kids in schools, the army or hospitals now which is usually like cafeteria food and other things it would seem we are more unequal in some areas that they weren't long ago. It kinda seems like it started during the medieval ages with the rise of monarchy and stuff like that. I could be wrong and these are just thoughts anyways.

We basically give poor people rations and the work we do which is essentially slave labor (modern day customer service, construction workers, day laborers, factory workers) we don't really get fed like that nor treated like that either.

Pyramid builders also got free medical care.

No wonder we don't build any pyramids anymore

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AdmiralPrune · 41-45, M
I’ve sometimes thought the same thing. Take feudalism. Sure you’re not free, but you get 125 days off work a year, every saints day. Your feudal lord is responsible for your housing, access to health care and keeping you safe from crime. And if he fails you can take him to court and he has to either compensate you or lose his lands, maybe his head.
Lila15 · 22-25, F
The pyramid builders were well-paid, skilled technicians. The work wasn't even physically demanding. I once read a book Pharaoh's Pump about how they used hydraulics to move the stones into position.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
Yes and no. Ethiopian slaves where a whole different situation. They stole each others technology. And treated each others slaves worse. A bit of racial history that rarely gets mentioned.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@DeWayfarer I'm sure, our ancestors did have to run away from neighboring tribes, along with other brutal things we'd do to each other
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@SatanBurger i don't have to go any further than one generation ago for my mother. Gypsy remember!
swirlie · 31-35
You don't have to go as far back as ancient times to see how past societies treated their laborers. You only have to go as far back as the 1980s during Reagonomics to the more modern times of Trumpism to see how labor is treated the same in the USA as peasant farmers are treated in China.
swirlie · 31-35
@SatanBurger
I know you're probably not too familiar with places in Canada, but I made a remarkable discovery last year when I'd made a trip north to Baffin Island ..which is the first big island that's north of Hudson Bay on the left side of Greenland!😅

While I was up there last year (in July), I met a group of retirees at the marina I had arrived at who were just on their way out on a fishing trip. I struck up a conversation as we all stood on the boat dock extending pleasantries with each other and I learned that they were all retired Air Traffic Controllers who'd been fired by Ronald Reagan along with 6000 others back in the early 1980's, after Reagan vowed that he'd break their Trade Union if they went out on strike.

Suddenly, 6000 American ATC personnel were fired overnight after going out on strike as planned and the vast majority of them migrated north to Canada who happened to be in need of ATC personnel at the time. There was hundreds of them up there though I only spoke to about 6 of them and none of them ever went back to the US after they retired from ATC.

They still felt a year ago, exactly how they felt 45 years ago after getting fired, about how bad things were back home in the US, bad meaning... how perverse their government was becoming under Reagan and how Americans were allowing it to happen to themselves by remaining silent even back then.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@swirlie That's very telling and not surprising but semi surprising since it's been quite a few years. For me it kinda seems like Americans want it. That's why I think of it along the lines of almost fetishistic behavior. At this point it's a sadomasochistic relationship pretty much.

Nothing wrong with fetishes but it's wrong if we are pushing it on others. At this point, the Americans who feel like they don't deserve anything good are pushing their whole attitude on everyone else. I'm frankly convinced that how one votes is how one feels about themselves. There are people who are nihilistic and don't believe they deserve anything. That's why they vote the way they do. The ugly truth is what it reveals.
swirlie · 31-35
@SatanBurger
Wow! You have nailed it here! I have always thought those things you mentioned, but always assumed that my perspective was way too exaggerated when it comes to how Americans think and 'why' they vote the way they do. Truth is, you just made me realize that my perspective was correct. I'm one who believes that what we think in our mind is what we manifest into our reality, especially if we put enough intent behind our thought.

That said, when you apply how some Americans vote, who then vote for what they think they deserve (including those who don't vote at all), what they end up with is a reality that became manifested into fruition from their self-interest or lack thereof, further fueled by their intent because their reality now matches the level to which they think they are deserving.

What you explained would also explain why Americans will march off to the next war without questioning anything or without demanding accountability from their government before they march off into the sunset. It has alway seemed to me that Americans become brainwashed from early childhood to believe that there is an expectation that every generation of Americans will only achieve self-identification through the level to which they embrace the US military and putting country ahead of anything else in life.

In other words, if one does not serve in the US military in some capacity, they are not part of a special elite club which most glean self-identity from and therefore, they are not a real American though born in the USA.

One's military service therefore determines one's social standing as a citizen of the USA which will follow them for life, which I also believe is the mindset taught to kids at a very early age.
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SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@jshm2 I've always thought it was somewhat white washed anyways so I'm not very surprised but also assumed the pyramid builders were slaves. History is written by the victor.

While I don't doubt that we've always had war and slaves but the extent and over exaggeration by colonialists seem to be apparent too with these histories.

It does suck that such civilizations were wiped out, they shouldn't have ever trusted others or at least, not so easily. Not to the point of being xenophobic though
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swirlie · 31-35
@whowasthatmaskedman
..some of those women can throw an axe like a laser guided lawn dart!
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@swirlie As if women arent scary enough as it is..😷
swirlie · 31-35
@whowasthatmaskedman
Yeah, I can relate! 😁

 
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