ArishMell · 70-79, M
That may be so in countries like Saudi Arabia, though even there the real source of power is rather murky, probably with very heavy influence from back-room clerics.
It is not correct for Europe's constitutional monarchies. There the monarch is the Head of State, not of Government hence administration. The governmental role is taken by the President or Prime Minister. (Some nations have both posts, whether monarchies or republics.)
What became the United Kingdom started to strip the monarch of absolute power many centuries ago, first with the Magna Carta.
The Interregnum under Oliver Cromwell, and the subsequent Restoration of the monarchy, reduced the soeverign's power still further. The UK's sovereign is now apolitical, acting as a sort of neutral Chairman and representative of the country as a whole, while leaving running the country and deciding policy, to Government and Parliament.
Also, in the UK at least, the Police, Judiciary and Civil-Service are separate from both Crown and Parliament, and each other. They are Crown services, as is the military, but that gives some continuity and stability above Parliament's ruling on laws and budgets.
This is why the British State and Government have largely been reasonably stable and peaceful for so long. Constitutionally, the King has no ruling authority over the citizenry and State services as you describe.
(Yes, the UK does have a Constitution although even some MPs seem to think we don't! The error arises by a totally inaccurate comparison with the far younger USA's single-document Constitution.)
It is not correct for Europe's constitutional monarchies. There the monarch is the Head of State, not of Government hence administration. The governmental role is taken by the President or Prime Minister. (Some nations have both posts, whether monarchies or republics.)
What became the United Kingdom started to strip the monarch of absolute power many centuries ago, first with the Magna Carta.
The Interregnum under Oliver Cromwell, and the subsequent Restoration of the monarchy, reduced the soeverign's power still further. The UK's sovereign is now apolitical, acting as a sort of neutral Chairman and representative of the country as a whole, while leaving running the country and deciding policy, to Government and Parliament.
Also, in the UK at least, the Police, Judiciary and Civil-Service are separate from both Crown and Parliament, and each other. They are Crown services, as is the military, but that gives some continuity and stability above Parliament's ruling on laws and budgets.
This is why the British State and Government have largely been reasonably stable and peaceful for so long. Constitutionally, the King has no ruling authority over the citizenry and State services as you describe.
(Yes, the UK does have a Constitution although even some MPs seem to think we don't! The error arises by a totally inaccurate comparison with the far younger USA's single-document Constitution.)
SomeMichGuy · M
I think you have to distinguish between absolute monarchies and, e.g., the constitutional monarchy developed by the UK, where the monarch has powers which are quite limited (and the use of some would actually likely result in further limitation).
As others have said, the British monarch is the head of state, but not the Executive, unlike the US President.
As others have said, the British monarch is the head of state, but not the Executive, unlike the US President.
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FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@SomeMichGuy I often send before I check and end up editing. I guessed it was a typo, but wasn't sure I'd missed something. Your correction makes perfect sense: thanks.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@SomeMichGuy So sleeping beauty's dad was an absolute monarch?
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
Constitutional monarchies, such as the ones in Europe have no political power, but they hold back certain powers that an autocrat might try to exercise. If a truly autocratic leader tried to take control in Britain, the parliamentary system would be the first hurdle (but we see how the emasculated Congress and Senate have failed in the US), but they would also need to remove what is still a popular institution in the monarchy. I am a monarchist, not a royalist and take no part in the regular obsequies that the country is prone to, and would prefer a non-political Head of State.
SomeMichGuy · M
@peterlee Since Wm III & Mary II are long gone, a prudent and realistic choice.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
I don't know anyone who idealizes them these days, but in the past there was that whole "chosen by god" to be king/queen that people fell for.
peterlee · M
Did you know that 10% of the UK income goes to 0.01 % of the population. An elite indeed.
As for justice, we are denied freedom of speech, and the right to protest, on certain issues.
What could be worse than Richi, Starmer, or Farage ?
As for justice, we are denied freedom of speech, and the right to protest, on certain issues.
What could be worse than Richi, Starmer, or Farage ?
bijouxbroussard · F
A monarchy is basically a dictatorship with the head given the position not even by their achievement but by an accident of birth. 🤴🏻🫅🏼👸🏻
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@bijouxbroussard Dictatorships where? The Middle Eastern potentates, yes, but the modern European monarchies, no. Those that survive do so because they stopped being monarchical dictatorships long ago, particularly in the 18th and 19th Centuries.
bijouxbroussard · F
@ArishMell Then why do they still exist ? What is their purpose otherwise ?
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@bijouxbroussard They form the Heads of State rather than of government. The country's administration is in the care of the politicians.
They still exist thanks to having made that separation, and now because they are wanted as the nations' first rather than ruling citizens, for the colourful ceremonials, and for representing the nation not government in State Visits; leaving the dreary admin to the dreary politicians!
They still exist thanks to having made that separation, and now because they are wanted as the nations' first rather than ruling citizens, for the colourful ceremonials, and for representing the nation not government in State Visits; leaving the dreary admin to the dreary politicians!