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I support ❤️ 🇺🇦 Ukraine AND Russia 🇷🇺 ❤️

Does anyone actually understand Ukrainian and Russian history? Does anyone have the intellect to see it from Russia’s point of view? Just like the atomic bombing of Japan, The western world once again forces its agenda upon the east and expects it to obey. At least there’s some countries who make the stand for independence.

The whole Ukrainian war is a political whitewash of lies and self driven agendas. When has the west ever been given a detailed history of Ukraine? Where are the news features about Ukrainian history? Where is the education? The war is the result of western and eastern polarization. Guess what? That’s what happens when tolerances deteriorate and people stand up for their own selfish selves.

The world deserves this. It truly does and what has happened? Nothing but complete destruction. So well done, well done civilians for creating this situation, voting for Trump, voting for brexit, because there were some dumb idiots that hated something Ain Their lives and wanted to find someone or something to blame. This is what YOU have created.

War is the final frontier in this culture of intolerance. The final frontier of nazification, the suppression of voices but most of all the intolerance.

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helenS · 36-40, F

The Russian point of view is that no country at Russia's "periphery" has a right to choose its own partners as they wish; those decisions have to be made in Moscow, and if a country disagrees, it will be attacked.
As a result, Mariupol and Kyiv are flattened, and any protests in Kazakhstan are nipped in the bud.

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NestChicken · 31-35, M

@helenS that’s right and we should respect that policy. Ukraine was historically part of the Soviet Union. The western world doesn’t understand that or that the implications that has on Ukraine.

Take the UK for example, if Scotland wanted to become independent, England could invade Scotland. It’s the same thing, but until the independence is legal, Russia owns Ukraine in historical terms.

helenS · 36-40, F

@NestChicken Ukraine was an independent Soviet Republic, from the beginning. It was a part of the Soviet UNION, not of Russia. Ukraine and Byelorussia were admitted as full members of the United Nations.

KiwiBird · 36-40, F

@NestChicken russia owns Ukraine? Who shit in your nest? Ever heard of the Budapest Memorandum? Where the UK US and russia guarantee Ukraine Sovereignty as an Independent Sovereign Nation.

FYI Scotland voted against becoming Independent.

helenS · 36-40, F

@KiwiBird Yes, and if the Scots voted for independence, I doubt the [u]English[/u] Army would flatten Edinburgh.

NestChicken · 31-35, M

@helenS that’s because the UK is run by milk drinkers

NestChicken · 31-35, M

@KiwiBird and what do you know of russias relationship with Ukraine?

KiwiBird · 36-40, F

@helenS Costs England more £ keeping it than if it let it go...

helenS · 36-40, F

@KiwiBird Yes, and the majority of Scots are aware of that... on the other hand, BREXIT is also rather expensive...

KiwiBird · 36-40, F

Not going to waste my time debating that with a bin-chicken. I am sure you can google it.

NestChicken · 31-35, M

@KiwiBird at least Russia knows where the next shell needs to land

NestChicken · 31-35, M

@helenS oh well, the dimwit British should have thought of that before voting. It’s expensive to be by yourself and potentially for no good reason

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Mackenzie1 · F

@NestChicken @NestChicken @NestChicken what planet do you live on? You clearly have no clear understanding of Earth’s geopolitics.

NestChicken · 31-35, M

@KiwiBird oh dear, looks whose got themselves reported now

NestChicken · 31-35, M

@Mackenzie1 nor do you, I suggest I phone a doctor and have you sectioned

Mackenzie1 · F

@NestChicken 🤔

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@helenS Choosing to belong to an organization that literally exists for the destruction of Russia has consequences. And I guess Russian speaking Ukrainians only have agency if Washington approves it in advance. And I suppose the US is totally free to remove any government in Kiev that doesn't fall in line with the Wolfowitz Doctrine too.

[quote]Yes, and if the Scots voted for independence, I doubt the English Army would flatten Edinburgh.[/quote]

I think the Irish would disagree with you on that point.

And I noticed your definition of the USSR seems to change based on your argument here.

I don't think war was necessarily the right response but this is the direct result of the US and NATO aka the American Foreign Legion's policies for 30 years.

The US is happy to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

helenS · 36-40, F

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow What you say is a typical expression of "geopolitical realism": everything is a fight between the "superpowers", and the people have no say in this. Ukrainians want to choose their allies themselves? Tough luck, they belong to the Russian "sphere of influence". And of course, Belarus is Russian as well, so protesters must be killed to stabilize the equilibrium of powers.
I feel contempt for that line of thinking.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@helenS It is simply the truth.

The fact is the Ukraine has been a puppet of the US since 2014. To claim otherwise is just silly. I am sorry that doesn't fit your narrative.

Decisions have consequences.

As for Belarus and Russia they have been working together to combine their countries into one again since 2008. I guess by your own argument Ukraine makes it's own decisions but Belarus can't.

And I see you bring up fictional unsourced claims of murder to appeal to emotion so nobody looks at this logically and sees the flaw in your argument.

I noticed your own position implies the only people permitted agency are those that side with Washington.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@helenS I noticed you also conveniently left out the part that for the last 8 years Ukraine declared an entire segment of their population "terrorists" and have been carrying out a war against their own people where the former president proudly bragged about making children in the east hide in bunkers while their kids go to school.

LeopoldBloom · M

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow You mean the Russian-backed “separatists” in Donbas, many of whom are Russian soldiers? Ever hear of Little Green Men?

Ukraine is a multi-ethnic sovereign country. What do you think would happen if Mexicans in Southern California tried to separate from the US based on the fact that the area used to be part of Mexico? The US wouldn’t tolerate that, and neither should Ukraine. If Russians in Donbas don’t want to live in Ukraine, Russia should help them move.

PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M

@LeopoldBloom And back to bullshit conspiracies. Because apparently people who don't agree with American imperialism don't exist anywhere on the planet.

Russians were literally founded in the Kiev region. Russian Ukrainians have just as much legitimacy as anyone else.

I guess Washington has to pre-approve who has the right to self determination. So much for the UN.

[quote]What do you think would happen if Mexicans in Southern California tried to separate from the US based on the fact that the area used to be part of Mexico[/quote]

I suggest you brush up on international law. They have every right to do so.

Ironically you are making an argument as to why your own country should not exist. The height of irony there.

And wow. you finished with a positively xenophobic statement I would expect from the right wing Trump nuts.

BlueVeins · 22-25

@NestChicken [quote]that’s right and we should respect that policy. Ukraine was historically part of the Soviet Union. The western world doesn’t understand that or that the implications that has on Ukraine.[/quote]

Would Poland have been justified if it invaded & annexed Belarus today?

NestChicken · 31-35, M

@BlueVeins yes

BlueVeins · 22-25

@NestChicken Soooo do the treaties signed during the dissolution of the USSR just mean nothing then? I mean why make all these countries sovereign states if they're just supposed to go around killing each other?

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