When is it acceptable for US troops, ICE and other "law enforcement" to use force on people to maintain compliance with their commands
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hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
Force or deadly force? There is a difference. I am not in the US at the moment but what has happened to the city on the hill that everyone once looked up to? Serious question. Trump ran on one platform but has completely reversed course. Bongino went from trying to root our the bad apples in the FBI to being one. Kristy Noem went from being a wonderful governor of S Dakota that didn't buy the nonsense pushed by Fauci to someone who is excusing murder because the victim might have had a different political stripe. Have Trump, Bongino and Noem been captured? Who is behind it Steven Miller? The questions need answers.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@hippyjoe1955 it's going to be deadly when someone might successfully evade them or escape! That's the point, maintain hegemony, be unbeatable and cruel?
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Roundandroundwego Yeah because the last 'brown shirts' worked out so well. I am still not sure who is actually calling the shots. I seriously doubt that it is Trump or Noem or Vance or..... What I have noticed is that when ever there is a policy I disagree with the name Steven Miller pops up. I know he is 'adviser' to Trump but I kind of get the idea Miller is the effective POTUS not Trump. Trump (if he is still alive) is just going along with what Miller says.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@hippyjoe1955 ICE is a bipartisanly supported project that Americans wanted, and they clearly voted for MASS DEPORTATIONS. Violence would always be important to such cruel theatrics and they seem to have voted for it!
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Roundandroundwego I can support the police without supporting the police shooting people as they try to drive home. Huge difference. Who voted for unarmed unbadged people who are heavily armed and masked to be the arbiters of life and death of American citizens peacefully sitting in their cars?
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@hippyjoe1955 Americans. The two sides told you that they'd use those methods.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Roundandroundwego I don't remember either side describing 'brown shirt' tactics. I am not trying to pick one side or the other. I am simply pointing out that what Americans voted for and what they are now getting are very very different animals. It is one thing to vote to have illegals deported. It is something entirely different to have the 'agents' armed without ID and wearing masks. Constable Jones has a badge. He has his name on his uniform. He never wears a mask.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@hippyjoe1955 when the government began the mass deportations under Obama and continued into the family separation things under Trump and Biden, when they continued to flood Mexico with guns, when they continued to make the border chaotic, with men on horses shooting at migrants it was too subtle? Not for me. That's why I am the enemy within, as hegseth says. I know what I'm remembering. Carry on. The results are good enough for everyone but me. Together you have countries!: you can sanction me to death and win that argument and re elect the Dems and labour and macron and starmer.
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
@Roundandroundwego I believe the point I am trying to make is that the governments around the world no longer work for the people. They are all controlled and work against the people they are supposedly elected by. What is the point of having democratic elections when the people who are elected are simply puppets of the real power brokers in the world?
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@hippyjoe1955 there are governments that get way better reviews from their people than the Western ones, even some that enact the popular will. Obviously that's pie in the sky for owned and hopeless oppressed people who are profitable because of their own degradation. Nothing those owned people can do. The brutal billion, I call them. Nothing nothing. It's only going to get worse for that section of humanity. We'll be voting and you'll be raging.