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George Floydd.....Charlie Kirk...

Stop and notice the difference.
GF, a violent criminal and drug addict, was hailed a hero. His death caused riots, destruction and other violence.
CK, a political activist, family man, God fearing Christian, caused no deaths, crimes, or violence, but was killed for his opinions.
What's wrong with this picture and who is responsible?
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TinyViolins · 31-35, M
So was George Floyd supposed to prevent riots from the afterlife?

Charlie Kirk actively profited from making divisions in this country worse. He didn't go onto campuses to pitch his ideas and to promote certain values. He went in there to debate kids with little life experience and provoke them into reacting emotionally on issues they cared deeply about, all for the sake of selectively edited social media content.

He wasn't just espousing his opinions, he was purposefully obfuscating and misrepresenting those of the opposing side. He was adding gasoline onto growing political tensions instead of trying to bridge the divide. He was using people as a stepping stone to promote his own talking points.

Being a father or a Christian doesn't automatically make him a saint. He chose to dedicate his life to antagonizing others, and now he gets to reap what he's sown
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@TinyViolins so, you're justifying his murder, right? i mean, you know so much about his intentions, so he basically had it coming to him. do i have that right? it can't possibly be that he just wanted to have conversations with people who had opposing views. he had to be stopped, right?
@boudinMan Actually, ironically, it was Charlie Kirk himself who justified his own murder.

"I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
— Charlie Kirk at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church on April 5, 2023.

And Charlie Kirk did NOT want your empathy!

"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that – it does a lot of damage."
— Charlie Kirk on 'The Charlie Kirk Show', Oct. 12 2022

Personally I deplore violence, but if Kirk is OK with it, what can I say??
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues yeah dude, i've seen your incessant copy/paste quotes. thanks for showing your true colors by justifying his murder. i'm sure your support for luigi mangione was just as rock solid.
@boudinMan Again, I didn't justify Kirk's murder. As I said above, personally I deplore violence.

Ironically, it was Charlie Kirk himself who justified his own murder.

"I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
— Charlie Kirk at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church on April 5, 2023.

Needless to say, I disagree with Kirk; I don't think it's a "prudent deal." What about you, @boudinMan, do you think "it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment"??
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues i tell you what, why don't you condemn the murder of charlie kirk... let's start there.
@boudinMan OK, I condemn the murder of charlie kirk. Now it's your turn.

Do you agree with Kirk? Do you think Kirk is correct when he says "it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment"??
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues i think that charlie kirk should not have been killed for saying that. how about you?
@boudinMan I already deplored his death, and you are ducking the question. Try again.

Do you agree with Kirk? Do you think Kirk is correct when he says "it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment"??
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues it doesn't matter if i agree or disagree with him word for word. he's got the right to say whatever he wants as long as he isn't inciting violence against anyone. how sad that the left no longer believes in that principle and instead will tie itself in knots to give the appearance that it doesn't support murder when in fact everything they say gives exactly that impression.
@boudinMan So you refuse to answer the question. Interesting. What you can't deny is that Kirk himself finds the violence and murders an acceptable price to pay for lax gun laws.

Here are the relevant Kirk quotes.

"I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
Charlie Kirk at the Salt Lake City campus of Awaken Church on April 5, 2023.

And Charlie Kirk did NOT want your empathy!

"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that – it does a lot of damage."
— Charlie Kirk on 'The Charlie Kirk Show', Oct. 12 2022

Kirk opposed the Civil Rights Act: "I have a very, very radical view on this, but I can defend it, and I've thought about it," Kirk said. "We made a huge mistake when we passed the Civil Rights Act in the 1960s," he said at a December 2023 political conference hosted by his Turning Points USA group.

In a 2021 interview with Tucker Carlson, Kirk also reportedly compared pandemic vaccine requirements to apartheid. In a February 2024 Instagram post, he also talked about the "great replacement" -- a widely debunked conspiracy theory-- suggesting undocumented immigrants entering the United States to replace white Americans.

Overt racism: "I'm sorry. If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified,'" Kirk said during a 2024 podcast episode with fellow rightwing activist Jack Posobeic.
@TinyViolins Hoping Karma finds you ..
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues actually, i answered it. you're just continuing to use pretzel logic to defend your hatred of him. your copy/pasted BS gives only part of his responses. but again, my contention is that he didn't deserve to die for his statements. apparently, you prefer to dwell on that as a way to somehow defend his murder. that says a lot about you.
@boudinMan You said
it doesn't matter if i agree or disagree with him word for word.
That's ducking the question, not answering it.

I can see why Kirk's statement is so problematical for you. First off, Kirk accepts that guns don't make us safer; guns cause more deaths. So Kirk is justifying additional gun deaths. You, @boudinMan, want to believe guns make us safer, so you want to duck Kirk's premise. And, Kirk has minimal sympathy or empathy for the deaths.
I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment. That is a prudent deal. It is rational.

You want others to show FAR more sympathy or empathy than Kirk showed. And so you continue to duck the question.
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@ElwoodBlues i support the 2nd amendment, i don't need to use the same words as charlie kirk. and, as i said, you're taking snippets of things he said in the past, then using pretzel logic to attempt to make the point that he somehow had it coming to him. what you should be doing is showing compassion and toning down the vile rhetoric that your side has been spewing for years against people you disagree with.
JSul3 · 70-79
@boudinMan Do you have any empathy?

In the same day Kirk was killed, another school shooting took place....in Colorado.... not far from Columbine.

The response to the school shooting has been silence.

Priorities.
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@JSul3 of course, i have empathy any time someone is shot or killed. do you have empathy for charlie kirk and his family?
JSul3 · 70-79
@boudinMan Copy pasted BS?

OMG. It's exact quotes from Kirk!

He was a divisive POS. Am I glad he's dead? No, but I'm not crying about it. I have empathy.....something Kirk dismissed....for his children who lost their father.
JSul3 · 70-79
@boudinMan Did you overlook my post?


He was a divisive POS. Am I glad he's dead? No, but I'm not crying about it.

I have empathy.....something Kirk dismissed....for his children who lost their father.
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@JSul3 copy/pasting small snippets of a conversation is hardly exhaustive. how about posting the entire conversation, does that matter to you at all or do you prefer to just read what will inflame and encite?

besides, he has a right to his opinions, doesn't he? he engaged with people respectfully, gave his thoughts on the matter, then moved on. obviously, the left doesn't like that, felt threatened, and made sure he paid the ultimate price for it.
JSul3 · 70-79
@boudinMan My History teacher, the late, wonderful Miss Gwen Howell, taught us about freedom of speech.

"You have the freedom to say anything you choose....but there may be consequences for you saying it."

God Bless You Miss Howell!
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@JSul3 you mean, consequences such as being murdered? yes, thank you, miss howell.
JSul3 · 70-79
@boudinMan LOL!
Miss Howell also said those consequences could result in you getting your teeth knocked out, to being thrown in jail....and yes, even dying.

I'm not happy Kirk died. I hope they find the killer and is brought to justice.

You can easily find a very long list of people who were killed for what they said and believed in. Kirk simply gets his name added to that list, for better or worse.

I have empathy for the children who have lost their father.

I have zero empathy for Kirk or his wife.
@boudinMan says
how about posting the entire conversation, does that matter to you at all or do you prefer to just read what will inflame and encite?
Charlie Kirk reveled in being a provocateur; that was a big part of his shtick. If you think you can find further context that ameliorates the Kirk quotes I presented, then it's YOUR job to find them.

obviously, the left doesn't like that, felt threatened, and made sure he paid the ultimate price for it.
Interesting.

When a right-winger shoots up black people in the basement of a church, or Jewish folk exiting a synagogue, or gay people at a night club, or Latinos at a Walmart in El Paso, or workers in a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado, you folks tend to say "mentally ill" and "lone gunman" despite the political aspects of the killings.

But with Kirk, you're not saying "mentally ill" or "lone gunman;" you're blaming the killing on the entire left!! Your hypocrisy here is breathtaking.
TinyViolins · 31-35, M
@boudinMan I don't need to justify his murder, he justifies his own murder by claiming that murders are an acceptable tradeoff in order to protect guns.

He actively doesn't care if someone else gets shot and killed, including little schoolchildren, so why should anyone else care when he gets shot and killed? This is a textbook example of poetic justice.

I feel sorry his children get to grow up without a father, but the last thing the society needed is more of his attempts at stoking discord and dysfunction in this country in order to line his pockets. It's unfortunate that people are killing others in order to silence or punish them, but in this case I see it as a net positive. He was a cancer on society that dedicated his life to making the problem of political division worse
boudinMan · 61-69, M
@TinyViolins you can't have it both ways, your gleefulness at his death is obvious.

the idea that he didn't care that school children were shot and killed comes from those copy/pasted snippets being posted here in order to make people like you feel good about his murder.