US government wants access to Telegram

Earlier this year, Pavel Durov was interviewed by Tucker Carlson, and he revealed that US agents tried to hire his engineer.

He said: “There was an attempt to secretly hire my engineer behind my back by US cybersecurity officers.”

It seems they wanted to install open source tools and hack into the platform, with their aim being to spy on people. US government told France to arrest Durov and make up these phony charges.

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GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F

I think all this is worth some serious thought, and discussion.

But your claim that the " US government told France to arrest Durov and make up these phony charges" lacks real proof at this point. That's obviously what you think. But until & unless you can provide facts from credible sources, it' just your own opinion - and without any other solid info could be considered a "phony charge" in itself.

What's clear is that the US could itself have arrested Durov on the same grounds at any time over the last 3 years. But they didn't. Also, I think if anyone assumes the French are ever going to pursue any interests but their own, they don't know the French.

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sree251 · 41-45, M

@GuiltyBiStander

I think all this is worth some serious thought, and discussion.

You are speaking out of both sides of your mouth. If it is worth discussing then you don't need proof. If your kid has chocolate all smeared on his fingers and mouth, do you need proof that he messed with the chocolate cake in the dining room?

GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F

@sree251

Be careful what you assume about me - or anyone else who answers this post.

If you're not up to dealing with other views, that's your own problem - But sort of raises the question why you would post this on an open public forum and invite comment 🙄

sree251 · 41-45, M

@GuiltyBiStander

Be careful what you assume about me - or anyone else who answers this post.

What's the big deal about you people here?

If you're not up to dealing with other views, that's your own problem - But sort of raises the question why you would post this on an open public forum and invite comment 🙄

What's your problem? Why won't you take my comments at face value and give me your best shot? We are just a bunch of dead beat, good for nothing loafers shooting the bull here. Let's get on with the conversation. @emiliya has raised an interesting angle on the Durov matter. You said it is worth discussing. Let's do it, and to hell with the proof.

emiliya · 22-25, F

@GuiltyBiStander I would ask you the same question as sree251.

“But your claim that the " US government told France to arrest Durov and make up these phony charges" lacks real proof at this point. That's obviously what you think. But until & unless you can provide facts from credible sources, it' just your own opinion - and without any other solid info could be considered a "phony charge" in itself.”

“Proof” is what elementary school children ask each other for. What else do you need proof of? The days when we needed it are long gone.

Let me ask: if my claim is correct, how else would Pavel have ended up in a French jail cell? America is the world's policeman and if they want him arrested on false charges, they will make it happen. Western Europe is America's great friend. Globalism has taken over. The French are as amenable to US as UK and any other western nation. Do you see them taking a stance against American agendas?

France is also engaged in de facto war over Africa, and is very willing to act against Russia for this reason. They have a private hatred of Russia simmering beneath the surface.

GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F

@sree251

No, what's YOUR problem ??

Is asking for some facts totally outside rational discussion? Or is shooting the bull what you really mean by "getting on with the conversation" ?

To me this post raises some valid concerns about government surveilance, personal privacy, and corporate responsiblity. But then mostly falls flat with some unproven claim that it's all about US spy agencies and their "deep state" agenda.

I'll have a discussion about real things & real problems - but I'm not wasting time crawling down another conspiracy theory rabbit hole.

GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F

@emiliya

Okay. I'm done.

If you think proof is irrelevant, and people who want facts are school children - then you and I have nothing worth talking about.

You post what looks like a serious issue for discussion, but then want to argue about your right to be a troll.

Goodbye.

emiliya · 22-25, F

@GuiltyBiStander I never said it was irrelevant, but how much proof do you need? Pavel has said that his engineer was approached by US cybersecurity agents. They wanted him to go behind his back and betray Pavel, and their request was that he enable them to spy on Telegram users. Arresting Pavel Durov is a way to pressure him to submit to their demands and allow access to private messages and private information on his platform. France is a good place to have him arrested as the French would not resist Americans. You seem to have a perception of them as rebellious, when they are a close friend and ally to US. This concerns globalist elites in their country too. They also want to know your information and what you are saying.